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Many are just doing that - disappearing. Most of my family have disappeared to Latin parishes. Only one family doxed to ACROD. At this family's recent anniversary party, my parents met several ACROD priests (and their wives) who used to be Byz Catholics. Everyone seemed to be extremely happy.

Joe

My question is how will the monks be received into the Orthodox Church?

In Christ,
Anthony

Dear Lemko,

I am sorry for having contributed to that impression, if I did, in any way.

But I'm stupid, so you can't take me seriously.

Forgive me.

Alex

Dear Cantor Joe,

I wonder why they were so happy?

Could it be the idea of having married priests "guilt-free" or even being able to have them at all?

Could it be because they are done with the feeling of being "second class?"

Could it be because of other similar reasons?

D'ya think?

Alex

Dear Anthony,

Not being an expert in these things, I would imagine the monks would be received with open arms and the three-fold kiss, with smiles all around?

Alex

By chrismation, confession, and communion, I'm sure.

Bless me a sinner, Father Thomas,

So the hugs and smiles will come AFTERWARDS, is that right?

Kissing your right hand, I again implore your blessing,

(As for the Chrismation etc., later . . . )

Alex
A sinner who is really pushing it right now

You're very bad, Alex, very bad.

I thought there was a reason I liked you.

What do you think, mushroom?

Re-chrismated??? I don't believe Lev Gillet was ever re-chrismated. Orthodox practice does not seem to be consistent at all in this regard. It would seem confession and communion is all that would be needed.

Thanks for the compliment on the post, Alex and Diak.

Have at it, Alex! It gives me incentive to stay focused and to light a fire under my...err, tush...about converting.

Logos Teen

Oh, and Diak, about chrismation upon entering Orthodoxy: it has to do with a thing called "economy", or something along those lines, I'm fairly positive...

Don't be ridiculous, Alex! You stupid? That's as accurate as me Ukrainian.

I believe this monastery would be coming under the Omophor of Archbishop Dimitri (Father Thomas please correct this if in error) It would be his decision how they are received.
Personally, I know some Byzantine Caths who were received just by confession and Communion since Chrismation was already given to them in the "proper" way.

Signo te signo crucis et confirmo te chrismate salutis, in nomine Patris et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.


Sorry, it's been a bad day.

LatinTrad

To begin with, I would like to state that I know Abbot Gregory personally�not simply from the newspapers or from a chance �meeting in an airport.�
Though I have never posted to this Forum, I have decided to do so in an attempt to bring a higher level of accuracy to some of the matters that have been raised.
(1) Holy Cross Academy has NEVER been a parochial school.
(2) Articles of incorporation are public record in Florida. The Academy�s corporative articles were amended in 1996 to state that the Academy is ��an independent, self-governing school�not under the control or jurisdiction of the hierarchy of any church.� There was no amendment in 2001; therefore, the language mentioned above cannot have ANY connection with the murder case.
(3) The corporate articles of the Monastery were never amended. They never stated that the Monastery was ��not under the control or jurisdiction of the hierarchy of any church.�
(4) Three Holy Hierarchs Monastery in Lantana, Florida, only existed for thirteen (13) months�1979-1980.
Holy Cross Monastery in Miami, Florida, has been in continuous existence since June 1982. With more than twenty-one years in one place and in one jurisdiction, it hardly seems conceivable to characterize the monks as ��moving about every so many years,� or trying to portray them as �jurisdiction hoppers.�
(5) The murderer did make some accusations of sexual abuse regarding the hieromonks (which they denied); however, this murderer also accused his natural father of sexual abuse (which the father has denied in an affidavit). The latter was publicized in the local newspapers, but it seems to be easily ignored; perhaps only accusations made against priests/monks meet the criteria for gossip and speculation.
(6) In regard to the allegations, as one of their attorneys stated on the local NBC news, this case has been totally investigated on two continents, with no substantiation for any abuse apart from the words of the murderer. The two hieromonks were never charged or arrested during the two and one-half years since the murder/accusations surfaced. They were not (are not) part of any investigation by the Byzantine or Roman Catholic Churches at the time of their petition for acceptance into the Orthodox Church in America. Therefore, the suggestion that this move was made to flee investigation or ecclesiastical process is ludicrous. If their attorneys advised them to invoke their constitutional rights (which, by the way, also involved the First Amendment, not just the Fifth), perhaps this matter should be relegated to a Forum that discusses Legal practice instead of religion.
(7) The monks have unambiguously indicated that their move to Orthodoxy is being made solely for spiritual reasons. In light of all that has been stated above, perhaps the members of this Forum should consider allowing these men to make a spiritual choice in peace. Since the matter has not been the subject of such posts during the past two and one-half years, why the sudden need to air all manner of speculation now that these monks have made a faith decision to enter the Orthodox Church?
(8) Finally, it seems to me that some members of this Forum should consider that detraction and calumny are still held to be sinful by the Catholic Church (Byzantine and Roman), as far as I know. Perhaps those disseminating �information� (that may be shown to be totally erroneous or only part of the story) or claim to be �simply asking questions� (which contain negative implications built in to the way they are phrased or the context in which they are posed) need to rethink the morality of their actions as they may unjustly affect the lives of others.
Now I said my piece. May this post bring some peace to the participants of this forum and to the monks who are entering the Orthodox Church.