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Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality: A New Clinical Approach (Paperback) [amazon.com]

Just check out the positive reviews, how well recommended they are and just how many men formerly of homosexual orientation have given the book the thumbsup. For all those struggling the cross maybe this could be of assistance? For those of us who do not have it, this research would probably come in quite handy as an apologetical resource.

PS) For parents Nicolosi has written a book about preventing homosexuality. It might be useful...

Nicolosi is hardly respected in his profession. The "positive" reviews do not reflect the real harm that "ex-gay" therapies have done to so many gay men and women.

We have a dear friend who came out of the gay life style that has nothing but praise for Nicolosi. In fact the man did his counceling with our friend over long distance phone calls.

I've heard good things about Nicolosi.

Also here is a statement by the Catholic Medical Association on homosexuality and reparative theraphy.

http://www.narth.com/docs/hope.html

I don't understand the issue very well. So I read

http://math.ucsd.edu/~weinrich/NCLSWNRC.HTML

and

http://www.nd.edu/~amanier/leftjab.html

and

http://www.hatecrime.org/exgay.html.

And, wow, did I get scared!

One Love.

bob r.

Myles,

You are of course correct in the sense that effects of original sin can be reversed. That is the point of Theosis. It may take a lifetime. In fact, it usually does. But it is well worth the effort. That this particular effect of sin is a very powerful one. But the greater the sin the greater the grace. I suspect, following the suggestions of my priest who followed the suggestions of Pope John Paul II, that those who overcome this sin will be more sainted than most others who overcome theirs. What is disturbing is the fact that those who promote the hedonistic lifestyle persecute those who are freed from it. What is even more disturbing are those who profess to be Christians but persecute these saints as well.

Let us praise God for those who are overcomers. Let us be quiet about matters of which we know almost nothing. Let us rejoice with the overcomers and pray for those still trapped in this lifestyle. Let us not make life for the saints in the making any more difficult than it is.

CDL

God calls upon all of us to change from our sinful ways.

I Corinthians 1-9 Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, 10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

11 And such some of you were; but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God.

If we take the position that homosexuals may not be able to change from there sinful ways, we may as well make the same argument for fornicators, adulterors and thieves.

I agree that it is scary to imagine a person being able to overcome the effects of original sin without Christ and the Church but what's even more scary is the belief that people cannot overcome sin. It is scary.

CDL

And even still scarier is the idea that calling upon homosexuals to repent should be considered a hate crime.

Lawrence,

Right you are.

CDL

Well, you should check out the links I included. I think they prove that this therapy doen't work and that it serves as a cover for a political agenda. I didn't know this beforehand.

And I don't think that this is about calling people on their sins. There is enough sin to go around and I don't want to be the one casting the first stone, you know.

This is just about politics. And politics masked as science has an eerie association in my mind with the nazis--and it probably should in yours as well.

I can imagine how a concerned friend could approach a gay friend and talk to him about being gay. That might be okay, although everyone needs to respect boundaries.

And I could imagine that someone could put gays in the same class as actual criminals and approach them and how that would indeed be hate speech. And I'm really coming to be in favor of locking up people who engage in hate speech.

And I can most easily and happily imagine that we can celebrate the diversity given to us by God, celebrate the positives that everyone brings to society and leave the rest to God.

Thoase links convinced me--this therapy is dangerous!

One Love.

bob r.

Well if there actual cases of ex-gays being helped by this kind of therapy it doesn't matter what certain psychologists might opine. A formerly homosexual man tesifying to the fact that it works is evidence enough for me. To be honest Bob I dont see why you have such a problem with this?

For all of the problems cited above. Its politics masquerading as science, it doesn't work and it gets uncomfortably close to being a hate crime. The rhetoric I'm reading here confirms my suspicions about this, but the links above and reflection on this convinced me.

One Love.

bob r.

By celebrating what you call diversity in this instance, is in reality celebrating perversity.

And this, to you, doesn't have an eerie association with the Nazis?