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Dear Daniel,
I don't know if these are two standards - what I said isn't characteristic of even mainstream Orthodoxy.
The criticism of the Orthodox of Eastern Catholic Churches has more to do with a religious point of view that the Orthodox reject.
That point of view, from our EC perspective, is that we are "Orthodox in communion with Rome."
The Orthodox Churches say that that is double-talk, that spiritual and liturgical traditions derive from one and the same theological perspective.
So we are simply imitating Orthodox liturgical forms without being truly "Orthodox" in terms of faith - which, in Orthodoxy, does not admit to a jurisdictional view of the Papacy and the doctrines associated with it.
Orthodoxy is tolerant of Western traditions as part of the Western patrimony of the once united Orthodox-Catholic Church.
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All,
The Antiochian church was a benefactor of the last wave of Anglican converts out of the ECUSA, as many became part of the so-called "Western Rite" movement within that church. This rite, which has been termed by many Orthodox and non-Orthodox as "reverse uniatism".
In any matter, the converts to come out of the ECUSA now certainly have a lot of options left to them. Basically they are the following;
1. Remain in the ECUSA
2. Change affiliation to a new "Network of Confessing U.S. Episcopal Diocese"
3. Seek "supplemetal pastoral care" under African or Asian Anglican bishops.
4. Become Anglican-Use Roman Catholics (possibly Anglican Rite)
5. Convert to Orthodoxy, in the "Western rite".
6. Join independent groups of Anglicans (not in the official Anglican communion).
So far the ECUSA diocese or any single parish for that matter, that has reportedly expressed interest in conversion to Catholicism, still remains a mystery to the public.
Let us pray for our Episcopalian brethren as they make important faith decisions in the weeks, months and years to come.
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A beautiful new church was just completed in November for the Anglican Use parish here in Houston. I went to mass there once. It was beautiful, and the pews packed (at least in the old church - probably thus the new one). If you want to see the church, here is the parish's website: http://walsingham-church.org The new Anglican-use Book of Divine Worship arrived also in November I believe--it's a hefty volume. I ordered a copy for $25.00 (but now forget where from! I'll try and dig up the link if anyone is interested). It contains the readings, order of mass, psalter, divine office, funerals and weddings, etc. (the parish uses The Hymnal 1940 and the Collegeville Hymnal). All in all, a beautiful work. I pray the Anglican Use (and whatever if anything it transforms into Rite or Church-wise) will be a haven for those Epicopalians troubled in conscience during this difficult time for them. - Henri
"A fire broke out backstage in a theater. A clown came out to inform the public. They thought it a jest - and applauded. He warned them again - they shouted even louder! In this way I believe the world will come to an end, amid all the wits who think it is a joke."
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Originally posted by hmjd: A beautiful new church was just completed in November for the Anglican Use parish here in Houston.
I went to mass there once. It was beautiful, and the pews packed (at least in the old church - probably thus the new one). If you want to see the church, here is the parish's website: http://walsingham-church.org
The new Anglican-use Book of Divine Worship arrived also in November I believe--it's a hefty volume. I ordered a copy for $25.00 (but now forget where from! I'll try and dig up the link if anyone is interested). It contains the readings, order of mass, psalter, divine office, funerals and weddings, etc. (the parish uses The Hymnal 1940 and the Collegeville Hymnal). All in all, a beautiful work.
I pray the Anglican Use (and whatever if anything it transforms into Rite or Church-wise) will be a haven for those Epicopalians troubled in conscience during this difficult time for them.
- Henri Henri, I just got my copy, its $29.00 The website is http://www.atonementonline.com/GiftNook/GiftNook.php David, the Byzantine Catholic
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December 17, 2003
Dissident Episcopal Bishops Form New Group
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Thirteen Episcopal bishops opposed to their church's approval of an openly gay bishop in New Hampshire plan to announce today that they are forming a rival network of dioceses and parishes, Bishop Robert W. Duncan of Pittsburgh said.
Bishop Duncan, who has been in the forefront of the Episcopalians challenging the direction of their church, said he was named "moderator and convening authority" of the dissident network. The group plans to release its founding theological statement on its Web site today.
"We are called," the statement says, "to oppose assaults on the authority of the Scriptures."
While leaders of the new group insist they are not creating a schism, they are laying the groundwork for a confrontation that could test the authority of the leadership of the the Episcopal Church U.S.A., which has 100 dioceses in the United States.
In an interview, Bishop Duncan said that the network is not seceding from the Episcopal Church U.S.A.. Instead, he said the eventual goal is for the network to win recognition as the authentic Episcopal Church from Anglican bishops overseas and from Roman Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox denominations that have already condemned the Episcopal Church for its actions.
"We're not leaving, we're not separating ourselves," Bishop Duncan said. "What we trust is going to happen is that the rest of the world and the rest of the Christian community are going to bring such pressure to bear on the whole of this church that it steps back from this event."
The new group, called the Network of Anglican Communion Dioceses and Parishes, will also include some dioceses and parishes in Canada and Mexico, he said. Clergy and laypeople are also expected to sign up.
The general convention of the Episcopal Church voted in August to approve the Rev. V. Gene Robinson as the next bishop of New Hampshire and to acknowledge formally that some dioceses are permitting gay union ceremonies.
Since then, conservative American Episcopalians have allied with conservative Anglican primates who lead foreign branches of the church. The Episcopal and Anglican churches are all part of the worldwide Anglican Communion.
Sixteen of the 38 primates have said that they will recognize the new network, said Dr. Kendall Harmon, canon theologian of the diocese of South Carolina.
What could force a schism is if any of those foreign primates claim "oversight" of an American parish or diocese or if Bishop Duncan claims such authority beyond Pittsburgh, said James Solheim, director of news and information for the Episcopal Church.
"That could unleash some forces that would deeply unsettle the whole Episcopal Church," he said. "An even more serious step would be if a bishop tried to take his diocese out of the national church. I think that would break loose quite a bit of litigation."
In an effort to accommodate the conservatives, leading bishops have proposed instead that conservative parishes uneasy under the authority of liberal bishops be allowed to ask their bishops' permission for alternative leadership.
The dioceses that have agreed to join the network are Albany; Pittsburgh; San Joaquin in California; South Carolina; Florida, Central Florida, and Southwest Florida; Dallas and Fort Worth; Quincy and Springfield in Illinois; Western Kansas; and Rio Grande, which includes parts of Texas and New Mexico. My only thoughts today are that this would not have been necessary if the hierarchy had more authority from the beginning. Canterbury is toothless and ineffective in this crises. This move seems to be aimed at avoiding costly litigation. I would hope they would also address the whole issue of authority in the church. If the conservatives gain recognition as the legitimate Anglican body in the U.S.A. they will only perpetuate a system that encourages the innovations we have seen so far. Whatever the next crises may be the Anglican communion will be just as incapable of dealing with it. More prayers for the Worldwide Anglican communion Michael
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All, I found another MUST READ article. This site written earlier this year makes refernce to new Anglican Use parishes. ANGLICAN-USE ARTICLE [ ncregister.com] PROCATHOLICO
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All,
Hope the site has been informative to those who have visited it.
Keep me up to date on the Anglican news.
As I've stated with this new "Network" I have not heard of anyone coming over to Rome or Orthodoxy for that matter.
I suppose in time we will know.
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All,
BREAKING NEWS from ECUSA,
Plans for network of dissenters prepares to take next step
by James Solheim
A network of parishes and dioceses that dissent from decisions by last summer's General Convention to endorse the consecration of an openly gay bishop coadjutor in New Hampshire and acknowledge that some dioceses are blessing same-gender relationships is poised to take the next steps toward creating a formal relationship.
In a December 15 Advent letter, Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh, moderator of the new network, said that "a group of orthodox bishops, who stood against the decisions of General Convention, has agreed to form a Network of Anglican Communion Dioceses-dioceses which, through their stand against General Convention's decisions regarding the consecration of Gene Robinson and the development of rites for same-sex unions, remain in communion with the rest of the worldwide Anglican Communion."
Duncan also said that Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams "has encouraged the formation of such a network in private dialogue with members of the orthodox caucus. The network is being formed, in good faith, within the constitution of ECUSA."
Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold, however, said that Williams has made it clear that he has no intention of interfering with reconciliation attempts as the church seeks to work out matters of "extended episcopal ministry" within its own provincial borders, and dissenters should not expect "direct intervention" by anyone outside the Episcopal Church in the United States-including the archbishop of Canterbury, Griswold wrote in a December 5 letter to the Church's House of Bishops.
Draft circulating among bishops
Griswold has sent a draft of guidelines for providing "Supplemental Episcopal Pastoral Care" to the bishops of the church, outlining a plan for dissidents who find it difficult to accept the leadership of their diocesan bishops. In an October 31 cover letter to the five-page draft, Griswold said that it built on work done when the bishops met at Camp Allen in Texas in March 2002. The current draft "is the work of the Committee for Pastoral Development of the House of Bishops and my Council of Advice," he wrote. "It is presented to you for your consideration, and where appropriate, immediate use, to deal with situations that might arise in your diocese."
"It is my hope that this plan will meet the needs of the present moment and also answer the concerns that have been expressed regarding episcopal pastoral care for those whose consciences are seriously strained by formal actions of our church," he wrote. The bishops "will have an opportunity to take counsel together and to make modifications and adjustments based on our experience," he said.
The plan calls on bishops "to provide for pastoral care of those who are in distress," especially in situations where there are differences between the diocesan bishop and some congregations. "At all times, however, we must recognize the constitutional and canonical authority of bishops and geographic integrity of diocesan boundaries," it added.
No direct intervention from Lambeth
Griswold pointed out that the draft was also sent to Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams. "I have been in consultation with the Archbishop, and in a conversation earlier this week he made it clear that the responsibility for working out a form of extended episcopal ministry lies within our province," he said. "Indeed, the consultation envisaged in the statement of the primates following our October meeting is precisely that and does not involve some kind of direct intervention on his part." Calls for such direct intervention, either by Williams or the primates, have been made by various conservative groups within the Episcopal Church.
The American Anglican Council (AAC), chief sponsor of the network, has dismissed the plan as inadequate. Duncan said that the network was "essential to prevent the orthodox minority from being marginalized," calling it "a family table-a gathering place-for those who stand in solidarity regarding the repudiation of the anti-Scriptural decisions of General Convention."
The network has now posted its theological charter on a new web site . The Preface says that the statement of "confession and calling" is necessary because of the "threat to the historic Faith and Order" of the church posed by the consecration in New Hampshire and the decision by the Diocese of New Westminster in the Anglican Church of Canada to bless same-gender relationships.)
Duncan and several other bishops met privately with Williams after the Primates' Meeting in mid-October and met again in London November 20 to draft a Memorandum of Agreement that outlined the process for establishing the network. Joining Duncan were Bishop Edward Salmon of South Carolina, Bishop James Stanton of Dallas, Bishop Jack L. Iker of Ft. Worth, and four Anglican primates. When the memorandum was circulated, nine other bishops signed on, selecting Duncan as moderator and convenor of the network.
Confusion over involvement
The actual number of dioceses involved in the network at this point has stirred some controversy and confusion. Duncan told the New York Times that 13 had joined the network. The claim has stirred confusion, however, since only a handful have formally acted to affiliate. (According to subsequent news reports only Pittsburgh, South Carolina and Ft. Worth have taken official action.)
The original list of 13 identified by Duncan and published in the New York Times, brought some strong reactions from bishops who said that the decision had not been made yet by their dioceses. The list included Albany, Pittsburgh, San Joaquin (California), South Carolina, Florida, Central Florida, Southwest Florida, Dallas, Ft. Worth, Quincy, Springfield (Illinois), Western Kansas and Rio Grande.
Among those objecting to being included on the list is Bishop John Howe of Central Florida, who said in a letter that the newspaper account "has gotten the cart way, way ahead of the horse."
Howe said that when he and the other bishops met with the archbishop of Canterbury on October 17, "he encouraged us to form what he called 'a network of confessing dioceses and Parishes' specifically to help address the call the primates had made the day before to provide for 'adequate Episcopal oversight.' He seemed to be saying that he would be personally involved with such a network, and when the 13 bishops signed a Memorandum of Intent last month to create such a network we did so as individuals, not presuming to speak for our dioceses."
Howe added, "In recent weeks, the Archbishop has made it clear that he believes any provision for Episcopal oversight must be worked out within ECUSA itself, and that he will not be personally involved." Howe said that several bishops who signed the memorandum "have expressed reservations and questions about how and even whether the network should proceed. The perception of many is that it appears to be laying the foundation for a kind of 'shadow province,' the very thing I have repeatedly said I do not wish to be part of. Bishop John Lipscomb of SW Florida and I have both been very clear that we have no intention of leaving ECUSA, or of attempting in any way to move our dioceses out of ECUSA."
A statement on Lipscomb's diocesan Web site said that "while he and Duncan served on a panel that drafted a theology statement for a network of confessing dioceses and parishes, he has not agreed to officially join any structure that would create further division in the Episcopal Church."
Divisive network?
At its monthly meeting, Central Florida's board as a whole was reluctant to sign on to the network and no motion to sign on was presented, according to Joe Thoma, the diocesan communications officer. He reported that the board did vote to send Howe to the network's January meeting in Plano "to find out more about what the network hopes to accomplish, and to report back at our diocesan convention at the end of January."
According to Thoma, four board members voted against sending anyone, saying that "it would give the impression that the Diocese of Central Florida is joining the network, and that the network seems divisive regardless of its or its members' stated intentions at this point." Howe said he had not planned to attend the January Plano meeting, but he will honor the will of the diocesan board and make the trip."
January launch in Texas
The real direction and strategy of the network will be more obvious after the scheduled charter meeting in Plano, a suburb of Dallas, January 19-20. That "formal launch" of the network, according to a press release from the American Anglican Council, "will include one diocesan bishop as well as two clergy and two lay leaders from each of the 13 dioceses that have already joined the Network." A charter will be drafted and serve as the incorporating document for the network.
According to the AAC, the network bishops will "participate in providing adequate Episcopal oversight to congregations within the ECUSA who request it. Parishes from 37 dioceses have already requested oversight through the AAC's oversight application process," according to a December 17 news release.
ACC president David C. Anderson said that the network is "a crucial component of Anglican realignment in North America. It will serve as a lifeboat for orthodox dioceses and parishes who feel abandoned and betrayed by ECUSA, as well as for those faithful Episcopalians enduring harassment and intimidation by their rectors, bishops, or both."
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Greetings all, more news from the sad story of world Anglicanism. I recommend that we fervently pray for the Anglican communion. It seems that in reaction to the very loose structural authority some people in England are working to tighten up discipline. It is apparent that the bishops of Church of England do not currently have the kind of authority we have always expected a bishop to have.
Sceptic priests could face trial by heresy courts
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
(Filed: 22/12/2003) Telegraph Group
The Church of England is preparing to crack down on heresy and sloppy worship among clerics by forcing them to take an unequivocal public oath to uphold Church law.
Under the proposals, new heresy courts, headed by bishops and advised by panels of theologians, would hear cases in which priests were alleged to have erred on doctrine, ritual or ceremonial. Members of the clergy who denied the doctrine of the trinity or the incarnation or who proclaim atheistic beliefs from the pulpit could face charges, as could those who failed to wear appropriate robes during services.
The proposals, drawn up by a working party of the House of Bishops, also include the rewriting of the ordination service, so that clerics would have to make a declaration of assent to the Canons.
Clerics have to make vague promises to agree to Church discipline and authority when they become priests. But they do not always make a specific pledge to adhere to Canon law, the detailed rules that govern their behaviour.
The proposals reflect concern that the clergy is failing to fulfil the Church's minimum requirements, such as wearing proper vestments in church or holding a certain number of daily services.
Some bishops also want to rid the Church of its reputation for believing "everything and nothing".
Traditionalists believe that that if clerics are properly trained in the Canons and are obliged to swear an oath to uphold them, there will be fewer breaches. They also want every new priest to be given a copy of the law to underline how seriously it is taken by the Church authorities.
Liberals fear that the plans, which are due to be debated by the General Synod next summer, will lead to witch-hunts. The Sea of Faith group, whose members believe that the Bible is little more than a collection of myths, numbers dozens of Anglican clerics among its sympathisers.
The working party, headed by the Bishop of Chester, the Rt Rev Peter Forster, has listed offences for which the punishments could include unfrocking, suspension from a living or a series of reprimands. The tribunals would be presided over by a bench of three bishops, two members of the clergy and two lay people. They would be chaired by an independent lawyer and advised by a panel of theologians selected to reflect a range of opinions.
If approved by the House of Bishops, the tribunals would replace the costly system of consistory courts, which are so unwieldy that they have never been used to try doctrinal matters. The bishops have made clear that discipline over doctrine would be "rare and exceptional" but that there needed to be "boundaries of permissibility".
In medieval times, heresies were rife. What constitutes heresy today is far more contentious. During the row over women priests, for example, the previous Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr George Carey, described as heretical the idea that only a male could represent Christ at the altar, a statement that would condemn hundreds of traditionalist clerics.
On the other hand, many conservative Anglicans would have liked the former Bishop of Durham, the Rt Rev David Jenkins, to have been disciplined over his public expressions of doubt about the virgin birth and the resurrection.
In 1993, the then Bishop of Chichester sacked a parish priest, the Rev Anthony Freeman, for writing a book denying the existence of God. A recent survey of 2,000 of the Church's 10,000 clerics found that a third doubted or disbelieved in the physical resurrection and that only half were convinced by the truth of the virgin birth.
The 39 Articles, one of the Church's foundation documents, makes liberal use of the idea of heresy but does not define it. Church spokesmen say they are content with the Oxford English Dictionary's definition: "opinion or doctrine contrary to the orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church".
The last heresy trial in England was of the Rev A Gorman in 1847, who was accused by the Bishop of Exeter of being unsound on the doctrine of "baptismal regeneration".
Gorman did not agree that at baptism a person was cleansed of original sin and born again into Christ.
Since then, clergy and bishops have been able to deviate from traditional doctrine with little fear of punishment.
In the 16th century scores of Christians were burned at the stake for heresy. One of the most prominent was Thomas Cranmer, the Archbishop of Canterbury from 1533, who was condemned under Mary Tudor and burned at the stake in Oxford in 1556.
At the moment, heretics can be dealt with only under the virtually unworkable 1963 disciplinary code, which has effectively prevented any trials from taking place. If the new proposals are approved by the House of Bishops and the Synod, they will create a far more usable system.
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Michael, The American Anglican Council, mentioned in the article to which you linked, may be the site to watch for ongoing news: American Anglican Council [ americananglican.org] Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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You guys really know how to dig for the news. I'm really impressed with this forum. Keep me posted and let's not forget to pray for these people, especially during this time of the year.
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Greetings, This is apparently about the New Westminster diocese that had earlier begun to bless same-sex marriages. This issue predates the elevation of Vicki Gene Robinson to the episcopate and has been playing out for over a year there. I believe that this is the same diocese that was forced to close a mission mentioned in an earlier article. Globeandmail.com
Anglicans find schism over gays cuts funding
By ROBERT MATAS
UPDATED AT 1:57 AM EST Wednesday, Dec. 24, 2003
VANCOUVER -- The high-profile schism within the Anglican Church over gay and lesbian marriage has led to a dramatic drop in financial support for the diocese that covers the Vancouver region, forcing the church to abandon significant programs.
"Financially, the diocese is not hurting. We are keeping the buildings open," Neale Adams, spokesman for the Diocese of New Westminster, said yesterday in an interview. "But there are repercussions. . . . We could do more, if we had more money."
Funding has been eliminated for the chaplain who ministered to the sick, injured and dying at the city's biggest hospital, Vancouver General Hospital, and for a similar position at St. Paul's Hospital, the city's busy downtown hospital.
The financial impact of the dispute in British Columbia will be felt as far away as the Arctic, Mr. Adams also said.
With less money coming in, the diocese will be sending $132,000 less to the national Anglican Church for its program in the northern regions of Canada.
Finances at the central diocese office have been strained since 10 churches in the New Westminster diocese -- with about one-quarter of the Anglicans in the area who attend church regularly -- began withholding donations that would normally be transferred to the central office.
Mr. Adams said the churches have withheld $506,899 from the diocese office over the past 18 months.
The diocese's annual operating budget is about $2-million.
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Originally posted by Elizabeth Maria:
You guys really know how to dig for the news.
Christ is born! Glorify Him! You aint seen nuthin' yet! Don't ask me how I found this article, it's a news source, OK?  Anyway, this is the first I have heard of an Anglican body that has severed ties with New Hampshire AND Rowan Williams. Gay.com UK
Tuesday 30 December, 2003 12:20:
More churches split from Anglicans
The impact of the first openly gay Anglican bishop is still being felt across the worldwide communion, with another Church cutting ties this week.
The Anglican Church in Zambia has announced it will cut its ties with the New Hampshire dioceses in the US, after it consecrated Gene Robinson in November.
While the move brought the Church, which has 70 million worldwide members, to the point of schism, its leader Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams called for calm while he set up a commission looking into the Church�s stance on sexuality.
Some churches have already said they cannot wait for the results of this, and have effectively cut the Church out. These churches include those in South East Asia, some countries in Africa, including Nigeria and Uganda, and more conservative followers in the USA.
However, the Zambian Church says it will also cut its ties with Williams, because he has so far failed to enforce a rejection of Robinson.
Bishop Derek Kamukwamba said the consecration of a gay bishop is �appalling� because same sex relationships go against Biblical teachings.
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