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Some think that Islam is benign and if it isn't it's the American's fault. I think the linked website will dissuade everyone of this notion except the most hard hearted.

http://www.dhimmi.com/

Dan L

The bizarre notion of a benign Islam is a classic oxymoron. I fully sympathize with the objectious to dhimmitude, but the sad truth is that Islam is not capable of recognizing the very idea of religious liberty - anyone who wants proof has only to ask even the most "benign" Muslim if he recognizes the right of Muslims to become Christians - but I advise posing this question from a safe distance.

Incognitus

Incognitus,

As you probably know I teach Comparative Religions. We cover Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All are interesting. Some have ideas that do not appeal to me. But none, not one, has been as consistently overbearing and violent as is Islam in general. As a Muslim said recently in dismay over all of the violence promoted by his religion: "Not all Muslims are terrorists. But all Terrorism seems to be Muslim."

I'm happy that some recognize this. I'll be even happier when they end both Jihad and Dhimmitude.

Dan L

Now, Dan!! You are going to stir up the PC police on the Forum again. Don't you know that Muslims are peaceful. They only want to take away our religious liberty.

Some, not all but far too many, want to take away our lives as well as our liberty.

Thank God there are Sufis who are only interested in God not in killing people. I just wish that they ran the show. They aren't in the Kingdom of God but they aren't trying to kill us either.

Dan L

Dan, how do they differ from the majority groups? I don't know much about them.

Timothy McVeigh was Catholic.

Terrorism knows no religion - or perhaps it knows them all.

Sharon

Byz,

Sufis are the mystics. They write the beautiful poetry that comes out of Islam and say things like "God is closer than your jugular vein" and things like that. It's hard to estimate how many there are. Holy people don't go around talking about it. Thye may not be the minority but who would know. The Wahbists would like to kill them.

Read Stephen Schwartz, "The Two Faces of Islam".

Dan L

Dan,
Sorry. After being exposed to the many recent beheadings via the media I don't think that verse sounds very beautiful...

I was looking at this site last night. I am trying to find more infor about its author, Craig Winn.

Whether his take on Islam is extreme or not, you can't deny the violence in the verses from the Quran he lists in his letter to George Bush.

So much for peace love and all that:

www.prophetofdoom.net [prophetofdoom.net]

Marya

By the grace of God Almighty, I think we have seen the crack in the Islamic armour of silence. Some very high officiates of Islam are starting to come out and condemn some of the atrocities they see inflicted on innocent children and adults in the Russian Chechnyan Province of Baslan. Maybe this will spread and become a calming influence on our eastern brothers?

Hopefully,

JoeS

Marya, do you know what a damning document you could create by stringing together all the horrid parts of the Old Testament? You know, the parts where Yahweh commands the slaughter of women and children? Think about it...
-Daniel

Yes you could put together a damning document from the Old Testament, but I am not aware of anyone actually going out and putting those parts into practice. There is the difference.

Daniel-
Speaking of Yahweh commanding the slaughter of women and children in the Bible- Do you think God really commanded persons to do that or was that made up?

Marya

I think that in our age, we have gotten so hung up on an image of a warm, fuzzy Jesus who will overlook anything we do and who is in essence, a total pushover. I don't think any of the Old Testament was made up, and I think people like to forget that God has a wrathful side. You cross Him at your own peril.

ByzanTn,

I was thinking about Daniel's statement, and it made me think of something I have never been able to sort out. This is totally off topic, but maybe it is clear to all of you, so clear it up for me.

It seems that God 'changed' somewhere between the Old and New Testaments. Now I know that God the Creator of the Universe does not change .

The OT doesn't portray God as a kind and merciful Creator. After the 'fall' He becomes vengeful and angry in many accounts, supposedly even commanding some members of His creation to slaughter others (???). This in itself appeared to cause great turmoil between men on earth. Generations of His people from Adam on down feared God's wrath. He sent them floods, fires, plagues, etc.

Then (and I mean NO disrespect at all>>) God apparently did a 180 and changed His approach. He gave us His only Son to die an horrific death at the hand of man as a sacrifice for our sins. Christ's life and death on earth spoke a radically different message than the message of the OT.
SO- Was God unfairly portrayed by OT writers? Did He really do a 180, or did we just have it all wrong BC? Did God send Christ to give us the REAL message of love verses hatred, because for some reason we created Him in our image instead of the other way around?
Christ's redeeming death then changed the way His followers viewed the Father, but Jews(?) and Muslims seem to be still 'stuck back there' if you will. They don't hear the message of the Messiah and continue with their "OT" thinking patterns. So for extremist Muslims, as example, slaughtering women and children is still very acceptable practice.
This could be totally twisted, LOL, but bear with me- :rolleyes: :rolleyes: its the way my mind was wired.
Thanks,
Marya