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Michele, Of course, there is also Hansel which is a derivative of Han Solo whose favorite past time was chewing tobacco, hence his wookie pet for chewing the fat between star systems, was named "Chewbacca". Everything is connected to Star Wars. It is the I Ching of all yings, yangs and jabbas. After all, it did happen a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... Gordo 
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Dear CDL, You asked me if I remember the name of the Hymn that seemed to praise the Eucharist as the Body and Blood of Christ. Well, I can't even remember the name of the priest that was relating the hymns, (I'm so absent minded)...but I think he's the one that talks about Patristics.  You did mention, (or so I believe), in one of your posts that Wesley required his followers to receive the Eucharist in an Anglican Church. Now I do believe the Anglican's considered HOly Communion as the Body and Blood of Christ...at least they did at that time. (Oh how we change). :rolleyes: I also can't help but feel that the words to the Hymn played at the end of the revivals of Billy Graham, (I think it's title is something like 'Just as I Am), sounds very much like an approach to the Eucharist.  Zenovia
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Originally posted by carson daniel lauffer: Originally posted by ebed melech:
[b] Sorry! Let me be clearer...
The Church is Eucharistic in its structure, with each ordo having its place in the assembly (ecclesia). This Eucharistic pattern provides the model for the relationship and essential collaboration between the hierarchical/institutional ordo and the ordo of the laity when it comes to the mission and common life of the church. All ordos have particular charisms to be exercised. Where conflict occurs is when one ordo either diminishes or overstates its importance in deference to or at the expense of another. (Presbyter vs. Deacon, Laypeople vs. Bishop) The Eucharist is thus the pattern and source for building the mission and common life of the church, where the "institutional" and "charismatic" are not in conflict. The bishop in his role of "overseer" is charged with preserving the unity of the church in the exercise of its charisms, poured out upon the whole Church at Pentecost. (Hence Ignatius of Antioch's exhortation to "do nothing apart from the bishop".)
Is that less convoluted?
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CDL [/b]CDL, Where'd you live in Missouri? Alex, Governor Jeb's wife has Hispanic roots that's where he learned his protocol in front of the Holy Father.
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He may be Methodist but he's way too influenced by Tim LaHaye et al. 
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Dr. Eric,
We lived in Kansas City, Mo. from 1971-73.
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Originally posted by Dr. Eric: He may be Methodist but he's way too influenced by Tim LaHaye et al. How so? Tim LaHaye has written some pretty incredible works of apologetics, one in fact that was just recently re-released...it is his two-volume "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" now in a single volume...although I forget the title. His (My) "Left Behind" series is junk... Gordo
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The Americans are doing it again  Who pray tell is Tim LaHaye and what's his day job? ICXC NIKA
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Originally posted by ebed melech:
Alex,
Is "Jeb" short for "Jebediah"?
Gordo No. "Jeb" Bush's full name is John Ellis Bush. White House Web Site [ whitehouse.gov] In January 1945 he married Barbara Pierce. They had six children-- George, Robin (who died as a child), John (known as Jeb), Neil, Marvin, and Dorothy.
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How so? Tim LaHaye has written some pretty incredible works of apologetics, one in fact that was just recently re-released...it is his two-volume "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" now in a single volume...although I forget the title.
His (My) "Left Behind" series is junk... Another reason I despise apologetics - Catholic, Protestant or otherwise. By its nature it is not much more than polemic and counter-polemic, argument for the sake of argument (despite the justification that it leads some to conversion - it leads as many away from that, I believe, for a host of reasons). Apologetics are yet another symptom of a destitute society which has inherited the spiritual excesses of rationalism and the Enlightenment. It is a manifestation of a world that has lost regular and frequent participation in the deifying Mysteries - which in a complete state of wonder leave the soul encountering those deifying Mysteries with the words of the Psalmist "Let all mortal flesh keep silent and in fear and trembling stand..." rather than argument. It is also the manifestation of a world that has lost daily exposure to and the living out of the lex orandi, lex credendi of our God-inspired liturgical heritage - which has the the transfiguring Paschal Mystery in every service, the very message of the eternal Truth, and its outward expression of faith to the world, as well as the vehicle par excellence of catechesis. FDD
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Originally posted by John Patrick Poland:
What parish? I was a youth pastor for the Meyer Boulevard United Methodist Church. I was a United Methodist Minister for 27 years and only converted in 1999. CDL
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Originally posted by ebed melech: Originally posted by Dr. Eric: [b] He may be Methodist but he's way too influenced by Tim LaHaye et al.
His (My) "Left Behind" series is junk...
Gordo [/b]You are confusing him with Josh McDowell. CDL
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Diak,
I think I agree with you.
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I agree with Diak and CDL.
I did amateur (and possibly amateurish) apologetics for 3 years and cannot come up with one convert who could say that I helped him/her become open to the Holy Ghost so He could do the real converting. I can only say that my wife (then girlfriend) converted because I took her to church, informed her about Christianity in general and Catholicism specifically, loved her, and never engaged in apologetic arguments with her. The ol' soft sell.
The only way to convert others is with our very lives. Like Sts. Peter, Paul, Andrew, Kyriaki, Perpetua, Felicity, Agnes, Ignatius, etc...
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Originally posted by carson daniel lauffer:
You are confusing him with Josh McDowell.
CDL Mea maxima culpa! You are correct. Thanks for the catch! Gordo, who is going to the cabinet to take his ginko
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