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Over the past year, a retired bi-ritual priest of Parma, the spiritual director of my priest, had been invited to be the Chaplain at Mel Gibson's private chapel, where family members of a friend of mine were also regular attendees. Sadly, both this priest and said lay people have had to end their association with Mr. Gibson as he has fallen back into full-blown sedevacantism. My sources are, sadly, unimpeachable. I shall pray for Mr. Gibson, but until I hear otherwise, I shall no longer watch his movies.

Then I guess you don't watch any movies to begin with?

No, mostly only cartoons (where all the real creativity is) and devotional programming

Regardless of the source isn't passing them along, second or third hand really just gossip?

What the heck is this term? We should be using terms that normal people can understand!

I'm sorry, Carole, you are surely right. I'm just a depressed Latin, who in this Pascha season feels like one at the bedside of a dying mother. Though not of the older generation (38), I discovered and came to love the old ways of my church. Yet the faithful and orthodox grow ever fewer, with secularists devouring the left, and sedevacantists devouring the right, with teh culture at large gloating and revelling in our division, weakness, and decline. Every disaster cheered in the general media. Every orthodox belief mocked and scorned. The East is a wonderful place to be, but sadly I have experienced more than one easterner, Catholic as often as orthodox, who now with the "shoe on the other foot" so to speak, seem to take a sadistic glee in our suffering. Is schadenfreude a sin?

Deacon John, pray for me, and please remove this thread. I am sorry I posted.

Dear Timbot,

It was my understanding that Mel Gibson was a sede-vacanist all along. Yes, this is sadly what happens to some who are fed up with the modernism and craziness in the Latin Rite.

But you know, what bothers me more than people being out of communion with Rome is self-righteousness. You really mean to say that you won't watch anyone's movies unless they are in full communion with the Pope? Who are you to judge Mel Gibson?

I have an idea... why don't we just go back to burning people at the stake? Or at least branding them with a letter, so that they'll be shunned by the "Catholic faithful"?

You might think I'm being facetious, but it's the same phariseeical mentality.

God bless,

Karen

Sorry, I am depressed. He was showing some progress a while back, and it was somewhat a comfort that at least one person of such prominence could be Catholic.
You are right, I am wrong, better I should be on the stake instead. The ashes would be more useful than I am.

Dear Timbot,

Christ is risen!

I understand your disappointment, and I'm sorry if I was a tad harsh in my last post... perhaps I should take my own words about self-righteousness to heart.

But just think how much good he has done-- he is a strong, publicly practicing Christian celebrity who had the guts to make a movie about the passion and death of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. He loves the Lord, and he has helped bring many people to Him. Does it really matter that much that he's not in full communion with Rome?

And he could certainly come around. I know people who have done complete 180 turn-arounds in their faith life. So don't be depressed, Timbot.

God bless,

Karen

I am saddened by many things within the Latin Church...however Mr. Gibson's practice of his faith is not mine to judge...that belongs solely to the Lord.

Christus resurrexit !

james

And she's not kidding! She knows my husband and I. You don't get any more of a turn-around that us. From avowed atheists to devout Catholics in less than 5 years.

God can work miracles.

Have faith and pray!

Bergschlawiner,

Sedevacantism (the See is vacant)is the belief that the See of Peter is vacant without a Pope. They hold to the most rigid form of Tridentine Catholicism, rejecting all ecumenism and usually the sacraments of the Catholic Church in communion with the Pope (in their eyes anti-pope). They believe Pius XII was the last true Pontiff (some except Blessed John XXIII) and all others are anti-popes. The larger groups the Society of St. Paul V and the Congregation of Mary Immacualte Queen refuse to attempt to elect a rival pontiff, instead praying for the conversion of the Catholic Church.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Ok..... This all has to stop.

I know it's the Town Hall and what not, but there has been a lot of posting about Roman Catholics and the problems of the new Mass and Vatican 2 and mega-churches with crazy priests and all that.

Please, take your grievances elsewhere. This is an Eastern Christian Forum.

Please, take your baggage elsewhere. Take it to the plethora of Roman Catholic forums that are out there.

The problem that the Eastern Catholic churches and parishes have is the overwhelming influence of Roman Catholicism (which can ruin a parish) and it seems to be creeping onto this forum.

Let's try to maintain this aa an Eastern Christian forum as the Administrator often reminds us that it is. I signed up here 4 years ago because it is an EASTERN forum. Not a Roman one. Although sometimes it tends to be one.

And let's not speculate on rumors about Mel Gibson. It has NOTHING to do whatsoever to any Eastern Christian Church. It is just idle speculation from this source and that source.

Wise up, people.

-uc

Carole, I could just SEE you on EWTN's "The Journey Home", telling Marcus Grodi everything... he'd be falling off his chair!
:p

God bless,

Karen

I would agree. Except that what happens in the Roman Catholic Church does have an effect upon the Eastern Catholic Churches.

Both because of the Roman Rite Catholics who come to the Eastern Rites. Which is not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself because while some come out of a desire to find something less abuse filled than their current Latin Mass many of those stay for love of the Eastern Rite.

And because like it or not, accept it or not, being "in communion with" the Roman See also means be subject to the Roman See. What Rome does and does not do indeed does have an effect upon the Eastern Rites.

Discussion of the other Church with whom we are in communion (or rather subject to) is natural and to be expected.

What affects one affects all.