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Fair enough, and true enough, and good enough. I will post here no longer. This forum is, in my opinion, simply too good for the likes of me.

Dear Timbot,

Do you have self-esteem issues, or what? I don't think you're particularly "loathsome." We don't want you to stop posting here.

My brother, we're all sinners... so trust me, you're in good company at ByzCath. Please don't leave because you feel too sinful or whatever.

God bless,

Karen

Maybe I should follow a very narrow minded path and confine my prayers to only Latins...

Sorry but I believe UC's statement is uncharitable and arrogant...especially during Pascha...time again for a pause that refreshes


james

Timbot,

When I first started posting here I had similar thoughts. This board is unique and unlike any other I have ever been on - it can be difficult at first to find your niche in the group and feel comfortable.

Don't leave because one post made you feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.

I know that this is a daunting place and some of the opinions are expressed in ways that are not welcoming to a new poster just feeling things out. But if you stick around long enough to learn who is who (like on any board there are personality conflicts) you'll receive much for your persitence!

God bless,

Carole

Most of my post was directed at everyone in the Forum. I have recently seen a lot of threads regarding complaints about Ash Wednesday, Evangelical Catholic Megaparishes, Opus Dei, this and that and I just find it frustrating.

That is all.

Then I brought up Mel Gibson. It really is rumors, no? Unless someone here meets him and asks him, then we can discuss whether he is a schismatic or not. I have met him a few times (he is known to show up at Ukrainian Catholic parishes here on the West Coast) and he has gone to Communion.... but I digress. Discussing rumors is really idle talk.

I did not mean to make anyone feel unwelcome, and if you look at my posting history, I do welcome new members. It revitalizes our parishes and I find much joy when someone discovers the East.

But also if you read my posting history, I don't take kindly to those who use our Churches as a refugee camps because of some baggage they hold (like Tridentines and SSPX types who ruin parishes).

So really, I did not mean to chase away or offend Timbot. I was just expressing my feelings about a new wave of RC related threads and posts that IMO have no relavance to us as Eastern Christians.

And also, Moderators of this Forum have reminded us not to discuss or entertain rumors, because they are just that, rumors. And if it causes it to belittle a person, such as Mel Gibson, then perhaps as Jakub likes to put it, it isn't in the best interest of the Paschal Season, right??

-uc

UC -

I absolutely agree with you on the issue of rumours, and the discuss of whether or not Mel Gibson (or anyone for that matter) is sedevacantist is not necessary or beneficial to the community at large. Unless of course the person in question were publically spouting such beliefs themselves - at which point it would not be gossip but may still not be of benefit to the community.

But discussions of other goings on in the Church do have an effect on the Eastern Rites as we are all connected.

I also agree with the issue of having a problem with those who seek out and attend Eastern Rite parishes only as a refuge from the perceived abuses and intolerable conditions in the Latin Rite parishes.

I found the Eastern Rites through a certain disquiet with the Latin Rite - a friend recommended it, I was curious and I attended. I stayed in the Ruthenian parish not because I was hiding from the problems of the Latin Rite - but because I love the Eastern Rites.

But regardless of why Latin Rite Catholics are attending Eastern Rite parishes ... the fact is that they are there and we are all in communion with Rome. So what affects them affects us. It is natural that Eastern Rite Catholics should discuss these issues.

Perhaps it has been dwelt upon a bit too much in the past weeks. I just don't see how to avoid the topic completely.

It is the responsibility of the moderators and administrators to evaluate the topic/subjects posted...although I am noted as a member, I am really a visitor...unless I change my choice of rite or "Dox"...but I do my best not to cast stones or lash out at anyone...and do bite the bullet on many occasions...and have refrained from those Latin thingies...

If the topic is not presented on how it is related to the East in some form freeze it and have the poster rephrase it...a humble suggestion...

Christ has risen...alleluia

james

James

I felt rather like you at one time - I apologised publicly and said I should not be posting on an Eastern thread [ can't even remember what it was now ] as I was a guest here .

In seconds flat there was a response from Admin - saying that I was not a guest - I was family.

You too have been here a long time - you are family as well - like Carole [ oh I remember her arrival ] and indeed everyone .

We need you here - all of you . Byzcath is a family , and like all families at times we have disagreements - but they pass.

It's true a lot of what happens in the RCC affects us - we may not like it - but it does.

The point is well made, that so far what has been said re Mel Gibson is not in the public domain - so perhaps we should wait a while longer and see what comes out ?

Anhelyna - who has just surprised herself as she realises that for once she has really posted as an EC Member

Why would one refuse to watch a Sedevacantist's movies just because of his religious views?

Sedevacantism, as offensive as it may seem to be at times, is totally Catholic in every way except for it's rejecting the validity of the current and past few popes.

Would you also refuse to watch movies directed by an Eastern Orthodox person? Or a Protestant?

If the answer to those is "no," I fail to see your logic.

On top of all that, we know Mr. Gibson cares deeply for his Catholic Faith, though it is flawed, and you'd be hardpressed to find another Hollywood director who feels anything similar.

Logos Teen

P.S. UkrainianCatholic, we know this is an Eastern Forum but that is why we have the Town Hall...for all other topics, like what kind of chocolate people are craving during the Fast, political stuff, personal picture Frappr map postings, and...can you even imagine? discussions about the Roman Church!! This entire Town Hall could be nothing but a big discussion about all things Roman Catholic and still you would have zero reason to complain. :rolleyes:

Teen - did you mention that heavenly stuff again

chocolate

CHOCOLATE


mmmmmmmmmmmmm After the last few days here - I NEED SOME CHOCOLATE !!!!!!!!! and I need it NOW

Anhelyna, my apologies!!! Just a little longer, and think how very satisfied you will be!

And, as a Latin, I couldn't part without advising you to "offer it up to God for the good of Holy Mother Church!"

Logos Teen

Several points:

1. One need not be a Christian of the Eastern Tradition in order to be a member of the Forum. Timbot is still one of our newer members with only a few posts but is certainly welcome to stay and further become part of the Forum family, regardless of the faith community he chooses to belong to.

2. There are over 1 billion Roman Catholics in the world and only about 250 million Eastern Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, and etc. counted together). It is neither desirable nor possible to prohibit discussions of what is occurring in the Roman Catholic Church. BUT, discussions should really have some relationship to the Christian East. As stated numerous times, extended discussions on topics specific to the Latin Church don�t really belong on the Forum.

It is sometimes very difficult to know where to draw the line. Moderators use their judgment. The different moderators will have different opinions on this and that is fine. Remember that threads may be closed or deleted and posts may be edited or deleted for any or no reason whatsoever.

3. Discussions such as this one do belong in the Town Hall Forum, as they do not properly fall into one of the other categories.

4. The Forum community reminds the more traditional Roman Catholics that they are very welcome here. In return we remind them that we are not traditionalist Roman Catholics and that the primary focus of discussions should be on the Christian East (or about how some issue affects the Christian East). The Forum really isn�t the place for Roman Catholics to come and grip about the problems they have with the Roman Catholic Church.

5. It seems to me that one could praise Mr. Gibson for his talent at making movies faithful to Holy Tradition (and enjoy them!) at the same time one prays for healing in his relationship with the Church. Had the movie �The Passion of the Christ� been made by a member of any other Christian group (or even a non-Christian) I will still be praising it and the good it has done.

Admin

I admit that I do have many different thoughts and opinions regarding the Church of Rome...but that is between me and my confessor and I hope a forgiving and merciful Lord...(hint)my penance is very time consuming...

In fact, a few of us Latins need to stay here for target practice and stress release ...

james

I can think of one very good reason.

The sedevacantist takes the proceeds and uses them to promote his sedevacantist views. He uses his money to set up a rivial Church and get people though not only his money but his "prestige" to come over to his side.

This is like saying atheists are totally Catholics except for them not beliveing in God.

And one last thing, a couple of questions. Who are we to question someone elses choices? Who are we to demand that their choices be logical? or have what we veiw as good reasons?


David, Byzantine Catholic and Carmelite pre-novice