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God, our Mothering Father.
Is it wrong to use the word 'puck' for this? It makes me sick!
What is wrong with men being men - he is FATHER!
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I was wondering when someone would investigate further...especially the icons, the Church might appear to be on the right path when you take a quick glance but when really looked at they are way off course...sad, I've seen many go that route...
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Originally posted by Pani Rose:
[b]God, our Mothering Father.
Is it wrong to use the word 'puck' for this? It makes me sick!
What is wrong with men being men - he is FATHER!
Pani Rose [/b] tHERE are elements in the Old Testament where God is given attributes of a mother. Not that we should call God our "Mother" but those elements are there. We shouldn't ever assign our sex roles to Almighty God!
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I don't think of the first person of the Trinity as having a physical body, but Jesus did say "Father"...
I think of some the good folks I left behind in the Episcopal church, wish some of them would sail out of the Thames and down to the Bosphoras with me. Sigh.
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You might send your friends W. B. Yeats' poem Sailing to Byzantium. I've always enjoyed it!
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Originally posted by ebed melech:
Like Pani, I too see a glimmer of hope in this Episcopalian parish. I say this while being somewhat repulsed by the eclecticism, among other things...Despite that, there seems to be a fundamentally "catholic" affirmation that runs through the liturgical life there. They appear to want to see themselves as a "bridge" to various cultural expressions of the Gospel.... not all of it is "bad". Well put. Every few years somebody e-mails me the URL of this church fully expecting me, because of my theology and churchmanship, to hate it. They're dead wrong about a lot of things but I don't. It's artistically better than run-of-the-mill Novus Ordo and I see bright, creative people who simply need to be planted in 'the real thing'.
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I still have my Anglican Prayer Beads. I used them for the Jesus Prayer, which got me interested in Eastern Christianity which got me into the Orthodox Church.
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Let's all dress up and play "church"! 
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Originally posted by Jessup B.C. Deacon: Let's all dress up and play "church"! I have dibs on the blue vestments. 
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I must say ... I have never seen anything quite like St.Gregory's. As a traditionalist Western Orthodox Bishop I see a great deal wrong with what is on that website. I understand the need to have Liturgy fulfill the needs of the people served ... but at the same time ... things like this are almost a sacrilege to the purity that is meant to exist in authentic Liturgicality.
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Bishop Mark,
Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory forever!
Welcome to the forum.
Looking at your website, I saw that the Divine Liturgy used is:
Divine Liturgy of St. Walter Propheta
I am not able to find this Divine Liturgy in print on the internet. Do you have resources as to where it is published?
Thank you and welcome.
In Christ,
Michael
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Good Morning!
The Liturgy of St. Walter Propheta ... otherwise known as The Divine Liturgy for 20th Century Christians was composed in the mid 1960's by Archbishop Walter Propheta with the assistance of an Orthodox Theologian from Fordham University in the Bronx, NY. It is basically an adaptation of the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It was long lost until very recently when the retired Metropolitan of The American Orthodox Catholic Church - Propheta Jurisdiction found it in some papers. The AOCC - Propheta has resurrected it and it is now in permenent use.
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Originally posted by BishopMark:
Good Morning!
The Liturgy of St. Walter Propheta ... otherwise known as The Divine Liturgy for 20th Century Christians was composed in the mid 1960's by Archbishop Walter Propheta with the assistance of an Orthodox Theologian from Fordham University in the Bronx, NY. It is basically an adaptation of the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It was long lost until very recently when the retired Metropolitan of The American Orthodox Catholic Church - Propheta Jurisdiction found it in some papers. The AOCC - Propheta has resurrected it and it is now in permenent use. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Anhelyna - reflectively
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