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Ah yes - an 'orthodox jurisdiction' composed of one 'bishop' - excuse me - "Metropolitan Primate" (or "Patriarch" according to the 2nd website), one 'priest' and one 'deacon' (the three doubtless also known as me, myself, and I).

http://www.forministry.com/USNYAMOCCNOCCN/
http://fathermark.tripod.com/theamericanorthodoxcatholicchurchprophetajurisdiction/

And they're looking for vocations... wonder if the title 'Patriarch of Pluto' is already taken?


~Isaac

I think the term is "Otherdox".

Andrew

Reminds me of when I was in the Pagan Religions... Most of them took what ever they liked and threw it together too.

I remember one ASATRU (Norse Pagan) who had no patience with these types of pagan...

She simply said "Yeah.. kids mix soft drinks together too and think it is good."

I had seen this site before, but I went through it again, and simply just had to shake my head. This shows the very reasons why the Episcopal Church is falling apart.

Regardless of our personal opinions about various irregular status/non-canonical/ind-movement churches, I think that we need to keep our comments courteous. Courtesy is one of the aspects that distinguishes the Byzantine Forum from many other Eastern Christian lists and forums, and I'd hate to see us lose it!

Just my .02

Dave

Well ... I came here thinking I might find some welcome. I guess I was wrong. I ask the Moderators to please remove me from this forum. I am not about to go through again what I and the AOCC have been put through on other forums. Goodbye all and God bless you.

From their website:
Are they serious?

HOW CONVENIENT!!!!!!!!!!!
haven't seen anything like that since the Universla Life Church peddled ordinations via the mail. even Madalyn Murray O'Hair got herself ordained after she sent in her five dollars. hey, American enterprise, nothing like it! (thank God).
Much Love,
Jonn

It amazes me how so many are so quick to jump to judgemnent before getting to know a person or understand a group. Is this the way the Savior presented himself ... I do not think so. Sounds to me like those of you who have decided to engage in this judgementalism might want to avail yourselves of the Sacrament of Penance for the sins of pride and bigotry.

And btw ... we are not a Clergy Mill. I take great umberage at being compared to the Universal Life Church and Madeline Murray O'Hare. But I guess it may do me no good to defend myself among people who seek to act other than Christ and the Apostles. Rest assured ... The American Orthodox Catholic Church is not going to fade into oblivion anytime soon.

And also for your info ... The AOCC was validated by Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras, one of Archbishop Propheta's Consecrators was consecrated by mandate of Athenagoras and validated by the Patriarch of Alexandria, and Archbishop Propheta worked very closely with Archbishop Iakovos of The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of New York.

BishopMark,

What are your church's position(s) on homosexuality and contraception?

Michael,

I have not seen their liturgy but I'm sure you're not in anyways deprived for not having seen it. I would venture a guess that it contains many of the salient features of other 20th/21st century liturgies: inclusive language, omitted litanies etc.

That quote is taken directly from the banner heading of your website, and your sub-heading says it all.

That quote is taken directly from Question #1 of your FAQ page.

No need to judge your 'church' - the material on your website does that quite adequately.


~Isaac

From The Acts of The Holy Apostles

18: Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
19: saying, "Give me also this power, that any one on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
20: But Peter said to him, "Your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!
21: You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.
22: Repent therefore of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.
23: For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity."
24: And Simon answered, "Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me."

Looks like they've got your number, Mr Pultorak (alias Bishop Mark).

Your own site tells the truth, that you are neither Eastern Orthodox nor Roman Catholic. You're also not Western Orthodox because there are only two Western Rite groups in the Orthodox communion, one under Antioch and the other under ROCOR. And there are no Western Orthodox bishops.

Nobody's being a big meanie by pointing out that you're not what you claim to be on this board.

As I like to say I can respect anybody who's got a real congregation, who's doing the work of a pastor. Questions about one's church's orders are separate. (And the Orthodox don't play the 'valid lines of succession' game.)

One's 'personal opinions' about 'non-canonical' groups aren't the issue - it's honesty.

Walter Propheta is infamous as part of the vagante world. He wasn't an Orthodox bishop. Ever.

I'm fairly sure Archbishop Iakovos and other Orthodox didn't concelebrate with him. Can you prove otherwise? My source is somebody Propheta ordained in the 1960s - they didn't.

Just like no bishop in the Orthodox communion concelebrates with you.

And I don't think a real Orthodox academic would have helped a fake Orthodox bishop make up his own liturgy.

And no Orthodox group has canonised Propheta nor has churches named after St Frances Cabrini, a non-Orthodox saint.

Even if you canonise Propheta and use your own rite, you still get my respect if you are in fact a pastor. But when you start telling fibs about yourself and your church, like calling yourself Orthodox, you lose that.

Thank you the young Fogey

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