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#197551 03/29/05 08:09 PM
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Talk about the week of Christ's Passion. Terri off the Pope on? Oh my! On each side of Holy Week, interesting. Papa JPII is truly teaching the world about the value of life, he is living it. Praise God!
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March 29, 2005, 1:30PM
Report: Pope may require feeding tube
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VATICAN CITY � Pope John Paul II may have to return to the hospital to have a feeding tube inserted, an Italian news agency reported today. It stressed that no decision had been made.

The APcom news agency, citing an unidentified source, said the 84-year-old pope might have to have the tube inserted to improve his nutrition since he is having difficulty swallowing with the breathing tube that was inserted Feb. 24.

APcom said the idea of inserting a feeding tube was a hypothesis that was being considered. The procedure involves inserting a tube into the stomach to allow for artificial feeding.

Earlier today, the Italian daily Corriere della Sera reported that the pope's doctors were considering a new hospitalization next week both to perform tests on the breathing tube and to adjust his diet because of problems swallowing.

There was no comment from the Vatican. Nicola Cerbino, a spokesman at Polyclinic Gemelli hospital where John Paul was rushed twice last month, called it media speculation.

Another newspaper, La Repubblica, quoted the pope's Vatican physician, Dr. Renato Buzzonetti, as saying doctors are "reasonably calm" about the frail pope's condition.

The pontiff, who was unable to preside at Holy Week events, skipped another tradition Monday � a post-Easter blessing from his window � ending the Easter holiday as silently as he began it.

A few hundred people had gathered in St. Peter's Square in hopes that John Paul would appear as he has on each Easter Monday of his 26-year pontificate, and Vatican TV cameras zoomed in on his third-floor window at about noon.

But the curtains remained closed as the pope continued his recovery from throat surgery.

"Despite the regret, we're happy because it's good that he continues his convalescence without strain," said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, head of programming at Radio Vatican.

John Paul's appearance on Easter Sunday � when he tried but failed to speak � was still on the minds of many at the Vatican, a dramatic end to a Holy Week in which the pope's suffering was clearly evident.

John Paul had come to his studio window at the end of Easter Mass to bless the tens of thousands of people in the square below. Aides readied a microphone, and he tapped it as if preparing to speak. But after uttering a few unintelligible sounds, he made the sign of the cross with his hand and the microphone was taken away.

Vatican Radio said Monday it would be difficult to ever forget the pope's pained "Urbi et Orbi" blessing and that it would "remain in the history of the church and humanity."

"This silence � full of emotion and desire to speak beyond the physical ability to communicate � spoke to us perhaps as never before the universal language of love," Lombardi said. "For us it was enough. We understood what the pope wanted to say, and how much he wanted to bless us."

John Paul last spoke to the public March 13, shortly before he was discharged from the hospital for a second time in a month. In addition to the breathing tube, John Paul suffers from Parkinson's disease, which makes it difficult for him to talk.
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Found on a Texas Blog:

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Tuesday, March 29, 2005
Pope may have feeding tube inserted
by Matt Bramanti | 03/29/2005 3:09 pm


Pope John Paul II may have a tough road ahead:


The APcom news agency, citing an unidentified source, said the 84-year-old pope might have to have the tube inserted to improve his nutrition since he is having difficulty swallowing with the breathing tube that was inserted Feb. 24.

APcom said the idea of inserting a feeding tube was a hypothesis that was being considered. The procedure involves inserting a tube into the stomach to allow for artificial feeding.

Earlier Tuesday, the Italian daily Corriere della Sera reported that the pope�s doctors were considering a new hospitalization next week both to perform tests on the breathing tube and to adjust his diet because of problems swallowing.

Stay out of Florida, Your Holiness. You know what they do to sick Catholics down there.

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At least the Pope has made it clear where HE stands on feeding and hydration...but, just in case, he should definitely stay out of Florida.

Gaudior, thankful that Judge Greer has no say in this matter

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It seems to me that the Pope's health was never the same after that assassination attempt. He may bounce back from his current problems, but he has suffered much, and is advancing in age. He may not be with us much longer. Certainly I wish him many years, but only God knows how much longer he will be here.

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Holiness is in one respect worse off that Terri Shiavo was before they stopped feeding her. So far as I know she never had a breathing tube.

I agree with the warnings passed along by Sam and Gaudior "Please, Holy Father, don't let them take you to Florida." Besides that I pray that the Vatican has a large contingent of Swiss Guards protecting him especially from any Florida Judges or Doctors.

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My prayers go out to Terry and her family. But I have to say that it is highly unfair to blame Florida Drs and Judges. The current situation is one that has come into the light, but it is a battle faught across the country, if not the globe. This kind of tradgedy happens far more ofter than we could hope, only this case has shown itself to the nation.

That said, it has been reported that the Holy Father does have a feeding tube at this time. Now his condition, while not great, is FAR better than that of Terry. It cannot be argued that they are in the same position at this time - or will they ever. The Holy Father has had a long life and Terry has not. The Holy Father is not bed ridden - terry is. The Holy Father is NOT in the same condition.

With saying all that I MUST say that I do NOT agree with what the courts have ruled...not in the least. However, to say as that Texas blog did "Stay out of Florida, Your Holiness. You know what they do to sick Catholics down there." and then to have you agree is very hurting. We do not murder Catholics "down here" this is a case where the person affected could just as easily been Protestant, Orthodox or whatever else. That statement makes it sound like we lynch Catholics. This case could have happened anywhere else in the country.

In His Name,
Stephen who is proud to live in Florida, but saddend that people make us out to be Catholic Killers....


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Sorry that I implied that Florida only killed Catholics who are handicapped. I'm sure they'd be willing to kill anyone who is handicapped. It isn't just a Catholic thing. And I do agree that there are people willing to kill others living in every state.

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Sometimes I wonder ...why some people would consider the judgement of secural either local , state or federal Judges some what act of God.

How can you possibly listen to an athiest ...who only listen to themselves. Some people are misguided... I do hope the Gov.Jeb Bush would wake up and start listening to his Catholic Heart and not the state or federal secural Judges.

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I will hazard a tentative response.

Perhaps the principle of double effect illuminates the situation. Adherence to the rule of law rather than substituting one's own preferences, however well-formed and well-intentioned, has a clear positive good. It secures us all from the chaos of the caprice of the poorly-formed and ill-intentioned. It indeed saves lives. In this case a moral-injustice will accompany the adherence to this principle; but one cannot honestly say - even though many enjoy saying it anyway - that this moral injustice is the specific aim of the judge, or those who listen to his decision.


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