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Hehe, a Russian Orthodox Jew? 
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Originally posted by Chotkimeister: Hehe, a Russian Orthodox Jew? Now that would be a real ecumenist! 
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Sorry for mentioning the calendar thing. My mistake, I meant no harm.
And again,
A blessed Pascha to all celebrating today!
Christ is Risen!
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Dear Chotkimeister,
Christ is Risen!!
Actually, there was a Jewish convert in Russia to Orthodox Christianity who became a New Martyr under the Soviets - St Alexander something or other who was a medical doctor.
His surname would give him away as being Jewish, but he constantly crossed himself and left icons with very sick patients.
When a pious Orthodox Christian in hospital asked him whether he was Jewish or Christian, the future New Martyr replied, "I am an Orthodox . . . Jew!"
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Originally posted by Steve Petach:
Then what is the issue of bringing it UP? You say "To all who will be finally celebrating Pascha this Sunday".
The sentence can be interpreted several ways. Not knowing which calender you the poster uses can change how one reads the message.
Just a thought.
[/QB] Christ is Risen! The problem that is driving Ung-Certez (and me) mad is that no one will listen: The essential reason that Eastern and Western Pascha are on different dates is not because of different calendars, but rather because of different criteria for calculating the date of Pascha! Before there was a Gregorian Calendar, when all Christians used the Julian Calendar. There were already two different paschalia: The Nicean one used by the Eastern Churches, and the Latin paschalion. (However, the Latin paschalion changed again by the introduction of the Gregorian Calendar, to which it is now tied.) So, the terms "Julian" and "Gregorian" simply do not apply to paschalion! Christ is Risen! Photius P.S. In 1979, I wrote a computer program to generate the Orthodox paschalion, so I know exactly how it is done (which I'll be happy to describe in detail if any cares) and can assure you that it differs from the Latins' algorithm.
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Photius Some of us oldies on here do know what you and UC mean - it has been discussed before - tbough because we can't do anything about we tend to ignore [ probably not the best word there - but I can't think of better one  ] it. Please don't think we don't get it - many of us do - but we have to live in one calendar or the other. Unfortunately we cannot impose our will on others - these things have to be done by a great deal of mediation and negotiation. Anhelyna
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There were already two different paschalia: The Nicean one used by the Eastern Churches, and the Latin paschalion Please do elaborate. What is "Nicean" about the one used in most, but not all, of the Eastern Churches? What is not "Nicean" about the one used in the Latin church in the early times? What was the difference in algortihms used before the Gregorian reform and how were these algorithms related to the Nicean Council?
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Photius
Some of us oldies on here do know what you and UC mean - it has been discussed before - tbough because we can't do anything about we tend to ignore [ probably not the best word there - but I can't think of better one ] it.
Please don't think we don't get it - many of us do - but we have to live in one calendar or the other. Unfortunately we cannot impose our will on others - these things have to be done by a great deal of mediation and negotiation.
Anhelyna [/QUOTE] Anhelyna, Christ is Risen! My apologies, but I do not understand your reply: My point concerned the date of Pascha being independent of which calendar one uses and I do not see what you mean by "we have to live in one calendar or the other", especially since there are Orthodox using both the Julian and Gregorian calendars who, nonetheless, celebrate Pascha on the same day. And, I do not understand why "we cannot impose our will on others", when the only thing I will here is to not complicate matters by calling something by the wrong name, and that should involve "these things have to be done by a great deal of mediation and negotiation" ... it's but a matter of not misidentifying the Eastern date of Pascha as "according to the Julian Calendar" or the Western date as "according to the Gregorian Calendar". Christ is Risen! Photius
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Dear Photius,
CHRIST IS TRULY RISEN! Hope you've survived the rigors of Holy Week and are now enjoying the Feast of Faith. I assure you that I am.
I'm no great success with computers (maybe I should feed the squirrels more often, or something), but I would be eternally grateful - and so, I think, would others - if you would be so generous as to post your computer program for the Paschalion.
As to the difference between others and ourselves, I suggest an easy and readily understandable solution (at least in English): there is "Easter" and there is Pascha.
A small but most welcome and needed miracle happened today in favor of a genuinely deserving young man here this evening, so I pass along this suggestion to anyone who is reading: when in need and trouble, have a panikhida for someone who is dear to you (in this instance, the young man's grandmother, who reposed earlier today). The results are often a most pleasant surprise.
Wishing you every blessing of the Feast of Feasts,
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Khristos Voskres! Voistinu Voskres!
Photios and UC, we are clebrating Pascha..please accept the well wishes of those posting, and not argue (correctly) about semantics!
Gaudior, going back to have some leftovers, followed by chocolate!
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Xhristos Voshkreshi! A most joyful Velikden to you all! Anton 
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