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#198828 07/01/06 04:52 PM
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Excellent! Is there really any difference in an America that gives no public recognition of God and the USSR? I don't think so?

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has done it again. But the Senate has responded with outrage. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/26/pledge.allegiance/index.html

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When the Washington monument was being built various countries sent blocks to be included in its construction as a good will offering. All the blocks were used except one. The block offered by the Vatican was tossed into the Potomac as a statement to Catholic authority in America. We are not at home in this country but rather living here until a true theocracy can be established.

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As much as I may love my country, I find that love to have diminished since I became a Catholic.

America is a country that's always had a pretty strong anti-Catholic philosophic element in both the religious and secular realms.

I pray for the day when this country is Protestant no more.....

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Well just pray for a day when Protestantism itself is no more.

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Will this decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals be overturned if it is appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court?

A recent look by an Evangelical Protestant law professor at the SCOTUS, with its historic first majority (5/4) of Catholic justices, showing a discernible, albeit nuanced, shift from a "liberal" to a "conservative" outlook:

http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=19-06-040-f

Yes, appearances may be deceiving!

But there is hope that a "Catholic legal thinking," based on the current composition of the highest court of the land, may at last come out to the fore with a review of this part of the U.S. pledge, unfortunately considered unconstitutional (and abominable) by atheists and other non-believers and by the 9th Cicuit Court of Appeals!

Bring them on! wink

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Dear Logos Teen you said:

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Well just pray for a day when Protestantism itself is no more.
I say:

I hate to inform you but you are part and parcel of a Protestant culture. This country was formed by Protestants, and that in turn formed you. So...do you hate yourself so much? confused

Better we pray for the day when all true Christians will be united. smile

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Zenovia,

Don't take this the wrong way, since this is all civil, but I don't think your statement makes any sense.

If you lived in Saudi Arabia, could I say the same to you if you wished for the demise of Islam? Or should the Christians of the pagan Roman Empire not have wished for the fall of paganism and the triumph of the True Faith since, after all, they were raised in a pagan-influenced culture and it formed them and who they were? No, that doesn't make sense.

And it seems to me that praying for the unity of all Christians and praying for an end to Protestantism are one in the same. We Christians cannot, as you know, be united in untruth, but only in what is true. There is no unity of Christians outside of the repudiation of beliefs that are antithetical to the True Faith and the Church. The full and complete unity of Christians can only be realized through the non-existence of any Christians who do not hold to the Faith passed down to us from Christ and the Apostles.

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Maybe it is how we handle our 'truth'. We can rub someones face in it, or we can introduce others to the 'truth' with respect. Aspects of 'truth' are to be found all over the place but it is in the coming into the Church that the whole 'truth' comes to gether for them. It is not so much then what we say but how we say it, that will turn people off or make them inlined to listen further to what we say.

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Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich:
Maybe it is how we handle our 'truth'. We can rub someones face in it, or we can introduce others to the 'truth' with respect. Aspects of 'truth' are to be found all over the place but it is in the coming into the Church that the whole 'truth' comes to gether for them. It is not so much then what we say but how we say it, that will turn people off or make them inlined to listen further to what we say.
BRAVO

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Pavel,

I agree, and I hope that you don't find my statements indicate that I try to rub some non-Catholics face in the truth, as you put it. Here, when speaking to another Apostolic Christian, I was trying to be as clear as possible and so was not fluffing anything up or sugarcoating anything, so as not to be unclear.

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