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If this is true then this is outrages behavior from �Cardinal� Mahoney! Catholic Students Threatened with Arrest at Catholic Cathedral in Los Angeles [ releases.usnewswire.com] Contact: Amber Dolle of the American Life League, 540-903-9572 or adolle@ALL.org LOS ANGELES, July 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- "Today's attempted arrest in Los Angeles of the student participants in American Life League's Crusade for the Defense of our Catholic Church is beyond scandalous," said Judie Brown, president of American Life League. "Since when is it against the law for Catholics to defend the Catholic faith at a Catholic Cathedral? We are outraged at the situation." Today's scene occurred when more than a dozen young people attempted to attend the inauguration ceremonies of Antonio Villaraigosa, mayor-elect of Los Angeles, who is a pro-abortion Catholic. The young adults are part of American Life League's 2005 Crusade for Life walks in which they are trekking from San Diego to Sacramento spreading the truth about the incompatibility of Catholicism and support of abortion. The group planned to attend the inauguration ceremonies, beginning at the Cathedral, and peacefully protest with shirts and signs that read: you can't be Catholic and pro-abortion. "It is an outrage that an event honoring a pro-abortion Catholic public figure that openly supports the killing of the preborn would occur at Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral," said Brown. "It is even more shameful that Cardinal Mahony and others would attempt to censor faithful Catholic students from proclaiming the truth." "American Life League calls for the immediate resignation of Cardinal Roger Mahony in light of his continued defiance of Church teaching," said Brown. "His coddling of pro-abortion Catholic public figures in California is beyond reproach and should not be tolerated by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church." The young activists were eventually allowed inside of the Cathedral, but only after the Los Angeles Police Department intervened in the situation. "How ironic that the Cathedral security guards wanted to arrest the students and the LAPD had to step in and point out that such an act would be unconstitutional," said Brown. "The truths of the Church will always stand strong, regardless of who attempts to stifle them...even a cardinal." For more information about American Life League's Crusade for the Defense of Our Catholic Church, see http://www.CrusadeForLife2005.com. http://www.usnewswire.com/Remember you can\'t be Catholic and Pro-Choice! [ crusadeforlife2005.com] . That includes a Cardinal! Abortion is MURDER! [ priestsforlife.org]
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Hi, Remember you can't be Catholic and Pro-Choice That includes a Cardinal! True. But calling a Local Ordinary Pro-Choice, just because he received the top elected official in his Jurisdiction to congratulate him on the occasion of his inauguration... I find that completely unfair. It would be nice if we could hear a non-biased version of the incident, or at least to hear the version viased to the other side. Meanwhile, let's try to understand what it means "I want mercy, not sacrifice". Shalom, Memo
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Memo, I agree that is why I highlighted in bold . However, the facts in the case seem clear. A Pro-Death "Catholic" politician is having a ceremony in a Catholic Cathedral to honor him. That alone speaks Volumes! Something�s in life are Black and White. Abortion is one of those things. There is NO middle ground. If you knowingly support Abortion in anyway you are not a Catholic or even a Christian. That goes for a lay person or a Pope. We have a duty as Christians to peacefully protest the killing of the innocents at all times. We are in fact on a Crusade!
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However, the facts in the case seem clear. A Pro-Death "Catholic" politician is having a ceremony in a Catholic Cathedral to honor him Apart from the "pro-death" canard, this is striking: "...to honor him..." I would think that services of this this type are a reminder of the responsibilities of office and prayers for God's grace in discharging them. Similar to a wedding, for example. Where does the idea come from that a service in a Catholic church would be about honoring some person? "We pray for a new kind of politics -- focused on moral principles, not on the latest polls, on the needs of the poor and vulnerable, not the contributions of the rich and powerful." from Cardinal Mahony's benediction att the prayer service.
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Originally posted by djs: However, the facts in the case seem clear. A Pro-Death "Catholic" politician is having a ceremony in a Catholic Cathedral to honor him
I would think that services of this this type are a reminder of the responsibilities of office and prayers for God's grace in discharging them. Similar to a wedding, for example. Where does the idea come from that a service in a Catholic church would be about honoring some person?
"We pray for a new kind of politics -- focused on moral principles, not on the latest polls, on the needs of the poor and vulnerable, not the contributions of the rich and powerful." This political event was billed as an INTERFAITH prayer service - not a Catholic service. There are many such INTERFAITH prayer services held at this Cathedral. Cardinal Roger Mahony is known for using politically correct language at these interfaith political benedictions - no mention of the Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ, Father, Son, King, or Lord. Is this compromising the truth? Isn't the Blessed Sacrament reserved in another area of this construction, so that people entering the "Cathedral" do not need to genuflect anymore? Hasn't it become just a grand hall? Sorry, I weep. This is too close to home as I am about 35 minutes away from this modernistic building.
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And from that blog: Cardinal Mahony, for 20 years archbishop of the largest Archdiocese in the richest nation in the world, will be ordaining only FIVE priests in his Our Lady of the "Angles" Cathedral. Meanwhile, in the Archdiocese of Chicago under the leadership of Cardinal Francis George, 16 new priests were ordained for that see.
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This political event was billed as an INTERFAITH prayer service - not a Catholic service. There are many such INTERFAITH prayer services held at this Cathedral. There is a nice discussion of this point over at Amy Welborn's blog. Some don't like such to come together and pray - as at Assissi or after 9/11. Even at an inauguration. Others see this as a good thing, provided indifferentism is avoided - rather like ECs going to services in EO churches. Isn't the Blessed Sacrament reserved in another area of this construction, so that people entering the "Cathedral" do not need to genuflect anymore? Hasn't it become just a grand hall? I welcome the idea of the Blessed Sacrament being reserved in a separate space in large cathedrals that are often visited by tourists whose decorum is not appropriate. If you've visited many of the great cathedrals of Europe during the summer, you will appreciate the wisdom of this idea. ps, EM ... still wondering about questions raised by your post: https://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000290;p=3
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Hello, could we get some perspective here? Anthony Villaraigosa is the new mayor of Los Angeles. He wasn't being honored at the Cathedral because he is a saint, but because he is the new leader of the government in Los Angeles. Also, the Cathedral is literally within walking distance of City Hall, so there is already a lot of interaction between Church and State  . Maybe we can have a good influence on the new Mayor's conscience.
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Originally posted by Theist Gal: Hello, could we get some perspective here? Anthony Villaraigosa is the new mayor of Los Angeles. He wasn't being honored at the Cathedral because he is a saint, but because he is the new leader of the government in Los Angeles.
Also, the Cathedral is literally within walking distance of City Hall, so there is already a lot of interaction between Church and State . Maybe we can have a good influence on the new Mayor's conscience. Mayor Riordan is also a fallen-away Catholic who was honored by Mahony when he became Mayor of Los Angeles. From the last I heard, this guy is married outside of the Church and is pro-abortion. From what the news stories said, he didn't change his stripes. We can only hope, but Cardinal Mahony isn't really preaching repentance here. If the preacher doesn't preach repentance, how can the people repent and be saved. This is the biggest problem in Los Angeles. We need to have a man of God who is willing to preach repentance whether it is considered politically correct or not. So, I don't necessarily fault ex-Mayor Riordan or Mayor Anthony. Let us pray for them that they do hear the gospel message and are saved. Pray for Los Angeles. I guess we will need another big earthquake to bring us to our knees. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us and save us.
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My apologies to Elizabeth for the misspell of Maria (I used Marie), I've done it a couple of times last month with a friends wife name also.
Ah, those mid-age brain hiccups.
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Originally posted by Jakub:
My apologies to Elizabeth for the misspell of Maria (I used Marie), I've done it a couple of times last month with a friends wife name also.
Ah, those mid-age brain hiccups.
james Don't worry. Maria is from the Greek. Many think that I am Hispanic, but I'm actually Irish-German-French Lebanese.
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THE GRAND PLAN BEHIND THE CATHEDRAL CONSTRUCTION IS WRONG ....
THAT IS WHY THESE INTERFAITH GATHERINGS OCCUR ...
TO HONOR CITIZENS NOT GOD.
WE ARE WORSHIPING THE CREATURE AND NOT THE CREATOR - paraphrasing a quote from Matins.
What disturbs me and fellow Los Angeleans is that the Cathedral was built to be a "meeting place" for interfaith services to honor the mayor and other dignitaries.
It's sad that they call it a "Cathedral" when it is actually only a hall, not a dedicated cathedral for worship of God. They have organ concerts, etc. which do not serve the sole purpose of worship.
Furthermore, during the weekday, they charge admission to see this 'grand Cathedral" as if it is some historical landmark, not the house of God.
Sorry, I don't like this idea because I grew up in a Roman Catholic parish that had a convertable hall/parish setup. It still remains the same today more than 20 years later.
This parish had folding doors that separated the "sanctuary" or worship area from the "hall". Folding chairs were in the hall area and pews were in the nave near the altar area. When mass was done, they would lock the folding doors and have a potluck in the hall portion. The big problem was that people lost respect because they couldn't distinguish when things were solemn and when they were not. So the inevitable happened, and people would talk loudly in church all the time whether in the nave proper or the hall part of the nave.
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This giant cardboard box of a "cathedral" is a meeting hall. 200 plus million !!!!!!!! Any statues of Our Lady to be found ??????????
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