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Why is it that the Church seems to want to slap down those who are most on fire for her?? Why does it seem that the Church embraces the most mediocre of things dumbing liturgy down to the lowest common denominator because they are afraid to expect more of those of us in the pews?

Here is what I want simply and straight forward. I want to worship God in plain non-homogenized english, give my wife credit for knowing that male pronouns include her. She is one smart cookie you know. Quit treating women as if the are STUPID, which is what you do when you start playing with gender inclusive language.

I want a liturgy that shows that there is a God and we worship HIM in our Churches.

I want a liturgy that isn't dumbed down and massaged because we are afraid of going over 45 minutes.

I want a liturgy that displays dignity and beauty.

I want a church that isn't afraid of its own shadow or afraid to embrace its heritage.

I want a Church where the children know what they have and won't settle for the RC Church five minutes away because it seems there is really no difference.

I want a Church that is truly ORTHODOXY IN COMMUNION WITH ROME. Is this too much to ask?

Dear John,

Not too much to ask at all!

You are talking about the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church!

Cheers,

Alex

So come to Dublin and be welcome! Our only major problem is that we don't have our own building, so we are sharing and must serve Divine Liturgy on Sunday afternoon instead of Sunday morning.

Maybe I should advertise:

Blessed Nicholas Greek-Catholic Church, Dublin, Ireland: the Difference is Worth the Flight!

Fr Serge

Beware of Greek Ukrainians bearing gifts!!

And NEVER trust an Irishman.

:p

Eli "the Mic" O'Neal

We could learn Aramaic and become Melkites. I don't know what is going to happen with our little Church. I will continue to work diligently to see it grow until I'm relieved of duty.

CDL

If you show up with a bottle of Tullamore Dew in hand, I daresay your welcome will be treble what it might otherwise be.......

Staro

I shall surely drink to that! Or anthing else that pleases ya!!

Mic O'Neal

Hey.... My family is Irish and Scottish...

So Ireland wouldn't be so bad

John

It's not too much to ask, and it's not rude to cry out from the rooftops that we want what we have a right to. We're Byzantine Catholics and we have a right to be who we are!

ni hecal ria n-gn�m n-garb n-gl�
ra fetar mas e side!

Gordo

As a novus ordo Latin for 15 years, who didn't know what he was missing till he stumbled into an indult traditional Latin Mass, I can honestly say--I feel your pain.

Just a quick topic detour--since the UGCC revised their translation of the Divine Liturgy in 1988(?) I can assume I won't have to worry about any helpful bishops toying with the liturgy there for hopefully a long while--yes?

FYI:

In traditional usage, Maronites use Aramaic in their liturgies. Melkites use Arabic or Greek. Of course, their respective liturgies have also been translated into English.

Tullamore Dew? Well . . . I suppose we could use it for cooking. I recommend Bushmill's single malt. Or there's always poitin.

Fr Serge

There is so much to learn and so much fun in learning it. Thanks.

CDL

It is my understanding that one belongs to the rite in the east, so any Ruthenian is also canonically able to be Melkite without anything other than a change in attendance. I know it isn't the case with clergy (who belong to a particular eparchy and therefore sui juris) but am I incorrect in my understanding for laity?