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When was the word "pravoslavnyj" removed from the Ruthenian Liturgicon?

It wasn't.

Thank you Father Deacon Lance.

And this is indicative of what?

That the word "Orthodox" remains in the text.

Andrew

Yes. I thought that question had been answered in the affirmative several times in the last two weeks or so. So I was inquiring of JohnS why he was asking? But thanks for have at least one answer

Eli

I am a master of the obvious.

Andrew

Well you are one up on me, then!! :p

Count your blessings!!

Eli

Eli,

I think John is trying to show that if pravoslavnyj is the Slavonic text why should we be afraid to use orthodox in the English text. There is no immediate good answer. The same people that will sing pravoslavnyj would be infuriated if asked to sing orthodox. It does not make much sense from the logical point of view but then emotional issues dealing with the rupture of families rarely are.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Thanks Father Deacon,

It just struck me momentarily that the question had already been raised and answered in the affirmative, and so I was wondering, and asked, if there was more to the exchange between you than met the eye.

Eli

In response to John, Father Deacon Lance asserts that "The same people that will sing pravoslavnyj would be infuriated if asked to sing orthodox."

There is not and was not any moment in the Divine Liturgy when the people are asked to sing this word. So, dear Father Deacon, what's your problem?

Fr. Serge

Priests and deacons are people.

And it doesn't take much imagination to extend Fr. Deacon's comments to THE people hearing the words.

Why the situation is the way it is may be incomprehensible to some people. That incomprehension doesn't suffice to argue that the situation is not a real one, or one worthy of some pastoral sensitivity.

I would guess that some this circumlocution will be dropped within a few decades. Why some, notably those who arguably have scant knowledge of the overall pastoral situation in the Archeparchy, have such strong feelings that this change ought to be mandated now is a bit of a mystery.

Priests are people too, Father - and Father Deacon nowhere indicated that he was referred only to layfolk.

Yours in Christ,
Jeff Mierzejewski

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DJS,

There is a pearl in your post.

It seems we have two camps in our church. Those who want to be Orthodox in Communion with Rome and those who do not.

It all comes back to this point on the needle. Our life and death. Vosti and Latinizer. Alpha and Omega.

It seems that our church has hit a nasty wall on our watch.

Now what do we do next?

Lord have mercy!

In Christ,

John

Defer to one another out of love for Christ.

Or change the Paschalion.

The people who would be wounded by such things are good people who have been faithful to their church for many, many years. Perhaps we really should give them a nasty kick in their final years on earth; perhaps we should just burn 'em out. I am at a loss as to how that would advance their salvation, but maybe that's not on the radar. I can see, however, that it would really show something about our church.

There is no nasty wall here JohnS. Just a gift from God to help us grow in love for one another.