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Originally posted by Jim: Regarding "Master bless!", many Orthodox groups only say this when a bishop is present, and otherwise say "Father bless!" to a priest other times.
The thread asks "Will parishes embrace the new liturgy?" As with most things concerning the faith, it will be a matter for individual consideration, but I suspect that most people in my own parish will accept it as long as some catechesis takes place- even if it takes place as the new books begin being used!
What will have to be worked around possibly are musical settings that are too difficult for collective use, [b]if there are any . After all, some of the music has been arrived at by compromise, after considering variations in local cantor usage. I have my doubts about how successful such music can be, remembering that a camel is a horse designed by a committee.  [/b] This is clearly a topic of its own and we ought to move it but I'll just add here the fact that some of our parishes have no cantors at all. I still find it a very disturbing fact that our cantors and our deacons have more idea of what is coming than our priests do. What will you cantors and deacons do if you find your priest reluctant to receive the new liturgy, music and rubrics with any great haste, for pastoral reasons? Eli
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Continue to serve as we have been doing all along.
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We dont know what the priests know and dont know. Many read what is written here. Rumour has it that even some computer literate bishops wonder past in the dead of night. I feel that when it is brought in (terrible text that it is) it will come together eventually.
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Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich:
We dont know what the priests know and dont know. Many read what is written here. Rumour has it that even some computer literate bishops wonder past in the dead of night. I feel that when it is brought in (terrible text that it is) it will come together eventually. You are there and I am here. I think I can say that I have a fair idea after all. The fact that some of our deacons and some of our cantors have had more training in the new liturgical text and music is unprecedented in ANY Church that I know of that underwent liturgical change in the 20th century. Perhaps it is because of the empty seminary, in part, but if you ask our older priests what has been done in the past you will get a different scenario from the one that has played out in this case. Perhaps you could come for an extended stay and then you'd be able to speak with more extensive experience. Eli
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The new music is used at the Seminary, in the Cantor's Institute, and in the Deacon Program so it would stand to reason that deacons and cantors are familair with it. Liturgical training for deacons, at least my class, was the Red Book but with the revised rubrics. But each of us has different direction in our own parishes. Blue Book is the standard at my parish.
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Eli & Fr.D. Lance,
It is true that deacon candidates are being exposed to the revised liturgy and music, but it is less true that cantors are. The further you get away from Pittsburgh the less likely are cantors to be participants in the Cantor's Institute. Its sessions are held on weekends. There has been one participant from Van Nuys, but the rest of us out here get what we can from wherever.
Another stumbling block has been that the translations used by the Institute are not always in agreement with the existing ones in the books from the Sisters of St. Basil. (There are, of course, reasons for this that have been discussed in other threads.) Unless there is ample clerical support to create workaround handouts much of the time, choices get made as to which is used. Sometimes Institute materials are used, sometimes not.
Some of the Institute materials are available for download from their website, and others are emailed to a group list of cantors. Those interested in receiving changeable propers from the Institute can be added to the group list for receipt of them by contacting the Institute. These downloads are all free. Printed books are not. The new liturgy itself is not yet available from the Institute for download or in print edition, of course.
Anyhow, my point is to say that not all cantors have access to Institute materials, and so are not necessarily as in the know as the deacon candidates are. When the time comes to approach the use of new materials, priests and cantors will still need to put their heads together as usual (assuming most do) to decide what will work best for their congregation.
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