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Originally posted by Pani Rose:
Therefore, we must awaken to the fact that we are a people of the Resurrection. Why are we constantly walking around with our heads clasped in our hands going 'woh is me'? Why do we fail to walk about rejoicing saying what a mighty God we serve. There is no other god that took the form of man and dwelt among them to serve them, so that they may have life eternal with him. We are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, yet we fail to rejoice continously in the triumph of our Lord. We should be spending as much time in thanksgiving for what God has done for us as we do in petitioning him to do something. How selfish we are as children. Pani Rose, Very good. We are the people of the Resurrection. Sounds very transforming. Radical, if not revolutionary. Joe
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Originally posted by harmon3110: Yes: Jesus Christ is what Christianity is all about. Christianity is not a concept nor a philosophy nor a moral code nor a social movement nor western Buddhism nor anything else except a religion based on one man: Jesus of Nazareth.
So, the next question is *what* is He? Put another way, *why* is this one man --a Jewish carpenter who walked the earth 2000 years ago-- so important. To summarize all the Christological questions, I will say this: He is truly the Son of Man, in all ways but sin, and He is truly the Son of God. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis: He was either a liar, a lunatic or exactly what he claimed to be.
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And I know you already know that. It's just that we all need a reminder from time to time. You and others at this Forum have given that to me, often, thanks be to God.  Here's some back at you. 
--John Beautiful!
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Originally posted by Porter:
Thanks Joe. I have been here almost 1 1/2 years and have posted over 900 times. and...
I do agree with your estimation about how it goes with many threads. However, there are many others which perhaps it would be good for you to explore before you conclude that Jesus is missing among the Byzantines. Mary Jo, I am glad to see that there are those who are more than happy to talk about Jesus Christ. Sure, He is mentioned in other posts. But threads dedicated to just Jesus Christ doesn't take off like a rocket. Maybe this is what should be discussed at any lay meeting about evangelism. What does it mean: ev-ANGEL? Does it mean that any talk about our Lord and Savior should take off like a rocket faster and more furious than any discussion about the role of the papacy, liturgical reforms, homosexuality, and identity problems? Maybe the church should listen to the Pani Roses and Mary Jo's rather than New Feminists and nuns in airline stewardess outfits? RADICAL REVOLUTIONARY REFORM The three R's. We know that one cannot pour new wine into old wineskins. This should be a major reflection akin to Fr. Thomas's 'tear it down.' Byzantine Catholics filled with the Spirit of God and with attitude. Joe
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"What is the role of Jesus?" is an impossible question.
But that us just it, IT is NOT an IMPOSSIBLE question!
Jesus is our ALL IN ALL
Jesus is our every breath, he is every move we make, we can not rise to go out into the fields unless he awakens us. WE CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST!
If he were to sleep we would all parish and the day he tells us to rest we do not, Hebrews 4: 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his.
Until we, as his people begin to take him at his Word. To truly believe what he says, that means that the belief we have must go from belief in our heads to knowledge in our hearts, we will not be an excited people.
Jesus says unless we John 6,
My dad just came in I will be back later.
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Pani,
I'm not complaining but you have answered the question in precisely the way I did. The problem is, The question of the role of Jesus Christ is really not a good question precisely because of our answers. To say "everything" is to say "nothing". Jesus isn't just a role. Jesus is everything. He is our only identity. Anyone who claims any other identity immediately labels himself not a Christian.
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John 6:53
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Jesus tells us that we must partake in the Eucharistic meal which he, himself has given to us. If not we do not have life within him/within us. We can take his Word at face value and blieve. But what really gives us the grace to totally believe. If we jump forward to Acts 1:8, Jesus tells us; "But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
Our Godparents made the promise to God for us that we would follow him, live his life within us and through us to the Body of Christ in a hurting world. AT WHAT POINT HAVE WE OURSELVES MADE THOSE VOWS TO OUR GOD?
Psalms 76:12,Make and keep vows to the LORD your God. May all present bring gifts to this awesome God. God asks us to take the vows that were made by those for us, make them our own, and return them to him. He ask this as soon as we are aware of him and can make a conscience effort to do so. I was recently reading the story of Little Nellie, a Roman Saint, of four years old. How she knew God and her relationship with him, how the priest had heard her confession and Chrismated her. At that age she was making vows to her God. She knew him personally.
Jesus asks no less of us. Only he does not ask us to do so by ourselves. He gave us the Holy Spirit, so we are no longer a shy cowering people, but a people who are to celebrate the Resurrected Lord by the power of his life giving Holy Spirit.
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Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
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Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
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He presented himself alive to them by many proofs after he had suffered, appearing to them during forty days 2 and speaking about the kingdom of God.
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While meeting with them, he enjoined them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for "the promise of the Father 3 about which you have heard me speak;
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for John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the holy Spirit."
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Brother Dan to you I say a great big AMEN!
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"But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage; neither can they die any more; for they are equal to the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection " (St. Luke 20:35:36). Let us then be our Lord's faithful children, in practice, not just in theory, and seek to be like little children in humility and with love. Love for God and love for one another. Seeing that we are the children of the Resurrection of our Lord, we are then instantly transformed into the children of the Living God. Children of the Resurrection are children of the Cross and the empty grave, over which death has no more power.
Faithful children of the Resurrection love God, love to pray, and love to be in the house of our God! Then again, the children of the Resurrection love their neighbors, and at every hour want to share in the glory of the Resurrection with others. When we, as faithful children of our Lord, receive the light of the Resurrection in our hearts and minds, let us hold it with love and with faith, as well as offering to our God glory, honor and worship.
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Originally posted by Dan Lauffer:
Jesus isn't just a role. Dan, Again, I wish to apologize for using the wrong word from my previous post. As Steve Martin would say, "Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!" My questions were from all aspects and angles. Maybe in the rush of the moment I chose a word that may amount to heresy. Then we can bicker about it for days and weeks on end. Then this thread will become just like every other thread. In the future I will not get so excited about Jesus and write more calm and collectively. I may end up sounding like another Christmas or Paschal epistle. Yawn! Joe
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Joe,
That is just it. I love to get excited about Jesus, I really can't help myself, he is my all in all. I love him so much more than I ever could my family. But because I love him so much more, I am able to love them so much more.
Beleive me when I say my words here on the forum are tempered. It is all I can do sometimes to keep from jumping into the computer and saying 'can't you see'.
If we put Jesus first in our lives, above everything else, then all the other falls into place. A Muslim precher(forgot the exact name) that told St. Francis if all Christians were like him, he would tell his people to become Christians. What was it that St. Francis did? He put Jesus above everything else in his life.
JESUS WAS HIS ALL IN ALL!
Never apologize for being excited about Jesus. Praise and thank him for the grace you have been given to do so. The more you do, the more you are given to do with, so never apologize, just say YES LORD! Yes Lord, I must decrease so you many increase. Amen.
Pani Rose
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Pani Rose,
Thank you for giving me the green light on getting excited about Jesus.
On contemplating the "role" of Jesus, we can think of the economia of salvation. We are so used to thinking Jesus in ontological light that we cannot think of Jesus in economical light.
Arius, I believe, got in trouble for confusing the two.
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Originally posted by J Thur: Originally posted by Dan Lauffer:
[b]Jesus isn't just a role.
Again, I wish to apologize for using the wrong word from my previous post. As Steve Martin would say, "Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!"
My questions were from all aspects and angles. Maybe in the rush of the moment I chose a word that may amount to heresy. Then we can bicker about it for days and weeks on end. Then this thread will become just like every other thread.
In the future I will not get so excited about Jesus and write more calm and collectively. I may end up sounding like another Christmas or Paschal epistle. Yawn!
Joe [/b]Not to worry dear friend. Jesus is my reason for everything. I get excited as well. Are you coming to the Eparchical Evangelization event Aug. 6 at Whiting, Indiana. I hope you can. Sign up. Dan L
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OOPS!
Just realized I posted on my husbands name.
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Originally posted by Dan Lauffer:
Are you coming to the Eparchical Evangelization event Aug. 6 at Whiting, Indiana. I hope you can. Sign up.
Dan L I'm thinking about it. I'm in a transition phase between contracts/employment as we discuss. If I remain an independent contractor, I might be able to wing it. Joe
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Originally posted by J Thur:
I am glad to see that there are those who are more than happy to talk about Jesus Christ. Sure, He is mentioned in other posts. But threads dedicated to just Jesus Christ doesn't take off like a rocket. Maybe this is what should be discussed at any lay meeting about evangelism. What does it mean: ev-ANGEL? Does it mean that any talk about our Lord and Savior should take off like a rocket faster and more furious than any discussion about the role of the papacy, liturgical reforms, homosexuality, and identity problems? Maybe the church should listen to the Pani Roses and Mary Jo's rather than New Feminists and nuns in airline stewardess outfits?
RADICAL REVOLUTIONARY REFORM
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We know that one cannot pour new wine into old wineskins. This should be a major reflection akin to Fr. Thomas's 'tear it down.' Byzantine Catholics filled with the Spirit of God and with attitude.
Joe Joe, so sorry I missed this post, just found it now as I back track just in case I missed something, but never too late...to respond I hope. Yes, I do AGREE that we all need to focus more on Jesus and have more threads centering on that...and also to focus more on Him PERIOD! So I am glad you didn't close the thread which I was trying to get you not to do...ever!!!! Cause, see, you got some good and heartfelt and enthusiastic responses. And I am rejoicing. Joe, be encouraged because since you started that post --- Dan started one in which we are sharing our stories and testimonies. Now that is a key to evangelization...as we share the ways in which we have come to Jesus and Jesus has come to us. Our stories of God. Our stories of faith. Amen and Amen... Blessings, Mary Jo
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