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Pope Benedict XVI to hold Vatican summit on married priests
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Pope Benedict XVI and top Vatican officials will hold a meeting to discuss requests for lifting the celibacy requirement made by priests seeking to marry or who have already married, the Vatican said Monday.
The summit will take place on Thursday and was called because of the recent excommunication of Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo, the Vatican said in a statement.
Benedict called the meeting to examine the implications of the "disobedience" of the Zambian prelate, who was excommunicated in September for installing four married men as bishops.
Milingo had previously angered the Holy See in 2001, when he was married to a South Korean acupuncturist chosen for him by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church, in a group wedding ceremony in New York. Upon appeal from Pope John Paul II a few months later, he renounced that union.
Milingo disappeared from his residence outside Rome in June, resurfacing a month later in Washington, D.C., to announce he was back with his wife and was championing the cause of married priests through his new advocacy group "Married Priests Now."
The Vatican said in September that Milingo and the four men he ordained as bishops were "automatically excommunicated" under church law. The Vatican added that it did not recognize the ordination of the four and would not recognize any ordinations done by those men in the future.
Milingo said the Catholic Church should embrace more than 150,000 married priests worldwide in part to ease the ongoing clergy shortage and to elevate the sanctity of marriage.
The Synod of Bishops in October 2005 rejected suggestions that the mandatory celibacy requirement for priests be dropped. But Milingo's excommunication has brought the issue back into the spotlight.
The Vatican stressed that Thursday's meeting would not open a general discussion of the celibacy requirement but would only examine the requests for dispensation made by priests wishing to marry and the requests for readmission made by clergy who had married in recent years.
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The press typically gets the wrong end of the stick again. If it's been said once it's been said a thousand times - priests will never be allowed to marry and continue their ministry, it will only ever be a question of whether or not to ordain married men.
Personally I'm sypathetic to ordaining married men, but I understand completely Rome's reason for not doing so at the moment - concede on this and liberals/modernists will use it as a wedge issue to further a feminist/homosexual agenda.
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The pilgrim took the words out of my mouth.
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Originally posted by Just a Pilgrim: The press typically gets the wrong end of the stick again. If it's been said once it's been said a thousand times - priests will never be allowed to marry and continue their ministry, it will only ever be a question of whether or not to ordain married men.
Personally I'm sypathetic to ordaining married men, but I understand completely Rome's reason for not doing so at the moment - concede on this and liberals/modernists will use it as a wedge issue to further a feminist/homosexual agenda. Sorry, pilgrim. Not making the enormous leap in logic from ordaining married men to caving in to the feminist and homosexual agenda. Radical feminists and homosexuals will make anything a wedge issue. This is a disciplinary issue, not a theological one. Their opinions and agenda should not matter a wit in this regard. Gordo
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I am sorry to say this, but I think that dragging in those that are homosexual and making them the fall person in almost every news release or new thread on the forum as of late is not cutting it. We (the administrators) are getting a lot of complaints from many posters, representing a cross section on the forum because it seems as of late, this is what apparently is happening. If you want to discuss the issue, do so without blaming any one group without substantiating it. If not the topic can not be discussed and the discussion becomes just wild speculation, which may lead to the thread being closed. The complaints are not only of posts in this section, but also in many other sections as well. The bringing in of one particular group or another is becoming obsessive.
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Sorry, pilgrim. Not making the enormous leap in logic from ordaining married men to caving in to the feminist and homosexual agenda. Gordo: I think the point Pilgrim tried to make was that the feminists who advocate women being ordained and those who want open homosexuals ordained comes from the fact that these latter two groups have made the argument from the idea of unjust discrimination against the married, the feminists/women, and against active homosexuals. If we take the language and theory of injustice against groups who are excluded--and no one today defends any kind of discrimination even though we all discriminate by making decisions--then we have the (il)logic referred to. Beyond that, there is a move afoot to implant the idea that people have a "right" to ordination just because they want it. (Where did Simon the Magician go wrong?) Radical feminists and homosexuals will make anything a wedge issue. This is a disciplinary issue, not a theological one. Their opinions and agenda should not matter a wit in this regard. Gordo: Have to agree with you 100%, but in an age where people react to 30-second sound bites and quotes taken out of context, the opinions and agenda of those who are the loudest and the best organized often cloud the truth, even when the truth is plain. We also have to remember that the mass media is either absolutely ignorant of Apostolic Christianity or absolutely against it. In Christ, BOB
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Originally posted by Father Anthony: I am sorry to say this, but I think that dragging in those that are homosexual and making them the fall person in almost every news release or new thread on the forum as of late is not cutting it. We (the administrators) are getting a lot of complaints from many posters, representing a cross section on the forum because it seems as of late, this is what apparently is happening. If you want to discuss the issue, do so without blaming any one group without substantiating it. If not the topic can not be discussed and the discussion becomes just wild speculation, which may lead to the thread being closed. The complaints are not only of posts in this section, but also in many other sections as well. The bringing in of one particular group or another is becoming obsessive.
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Father Anthony,
I agree with you and hope to follow your request. Please let me know if I do not. As one who has not posted on homosexuality in quite some time, and the last time I did so was a defense of SSA being blamed for pedophilia, I want to clarify my response.
There seems to be a connection made in people's minds, whether they are for or against it, to have the priesthood opened or closed to three groups: women, married (before or after ordination), and those who are openly homosexual. I believe that the church needs to properly separate these issues before addressing them. I don't think the western church is in that place yet. As Bob rightly pointed out, we live in a soundbite era with media who are mostly ignorant of or hostile toward apostolic faiths. We need to get them to separate these issues, and one of the ways we can start is by separating them ourselves (as you so wisely requested).
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Forgive me Father Anthony. I had no intention of causing offence to anyone. Perhaps I was being too simplistic, I apologise.
Theophan has put succinctly the point I was trying to make.
Again I apologise.
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A summit on the married priesthood is an idea whose time has come. At least the current Holy Father is willing to talk about it. A married priesthood is the apostolic way. Ray www.theologyincolor.com [ theologyincolor.com]
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I'm not going to hold my breath that Rome will change its position for the Latin patriarchate. But there IS always a chance that it might! Here is an interesting article on the subject. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/16/94552.shtml?s=icPope Presides Over Celibacy Summit
Pope Benedict XVI presided over a summit Thursday on the celibacy requirement for clergy, spurred by a married African archbishop who has been excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.
The Vatican insists that the policy itself was not open for discussion, but that the meeting was called to examine the implications of the "disobedience" by Zambian Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo.
The pope met with top officials in a three-hour closed-door session, and a statement on the talks was to be released later Thursday, the Vatican said.
Milingo incurred automatic excommunication in September when he ordained four married American men as bishops in defiance of the Vatican.
He already had drawn the Vatican's ire in 2001, when he took a South Korean woman as his wife in a group wedding ceremony of the Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
The prelate is thinking big in his campaign to have the Church to drop the demand that clergy be celibate. He is hoping to draw some 1,000 married Catholic priests to a Dec. 8-10 gathering in the New York City area.
The Holy See had stressed that the summit on Thursday would not open up debate on the celibacy requirement, but would instead examine requests for dispensation made by priests wishing to marry and requests for readmission by clergy who had married in recent years. It cited no numbers.
A Vatican meeting of bishops from around the world last year rejected suggestions that the celibacy requirement be dropped for priests. Proponents argue that allowing men to marry in the priesthood could help relieve a shortage of clergy in many parts of the world.
A leader of a U.S. organization of married priests said Wednesday there were about 100,000 married priests worldwide. Stuart O'Brien, a board member of the Massachusetts-based Corpus, said he did not expect any changes to come out of the Vatican summit on Thursday, even though "Milingo has their attention."
Referring to an estimated 25,000 men who left the active priesthood in the United States to marry, O'Brien said in a telephone interview from the U.S.: "I don't think that Rome will ever open the door to them."
Louise Haggett, head of the advocacy group Citi ministries (for Celibacy is the Issue), contended that while decades ago, priests seeking dispensations "usually received it within a year," since the 1978-2005 papacy of John Paul II the waiting time has stretched to years.
"There are a lot of priests today who don't even bother to put in a request," Haggett said by phone from her base in Maine.
When Milingo was excommunicated, several Vatican watchers said the Holy See was worried about the possibility that the archbishop, with the power to ordain bishops and priests, could start a schism.
The Vatican requires celibacy of priests ordained under the Latin rite, although married men can become priests in the Eastern rite. The Vatican has also accepted some married Anglican priests who came over to the Catholic fold.
"What I think will eventually happen is that they (the Vatican hierarchy) will change, and they will allow (married) men of virtue to be ordained, older men, maybe deacons, who have proven themselves in parish work," O'Brien said.
Several bishops at the Vatican gathering last year raised the possibility that married men of proven virtue, known in Latin as "viri probati," could be ordained, but that idea was ruled out.
� 2006 Associated Press.
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I do think that the time has come for a change in the discipline for secular priests. It seems that in the first millenium, when our Christian Faith was still missionary and not part of the established culture (I'm primarily speaking of the West) then the secular priests were married men. When Christian Western Europe was soidified in the Medieval Synthesis, that's when the push for celibate clergy began and was changed in the beginning of the second millenium.
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CNA doesn't want to hear any comments about married priests who are either Orthodox or Eastern Catholic. Just tried to submit two replies to that effect and they were almost immediately deleted.
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Bob,
Are you surpised by this?
Don't confuse them with the facts. After all, a married priesthood is viewed as part of the unholy trinity of theological liberalism, as discussed earlier.
Gordo
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