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if we are living a story, if the New Testament is not accurate then we should be pitied, for we are living a lie.

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Dear Orthodox Catholic,

I really appreciate the efforts you have made to calm my nerves. I feel better now and will really sit down and read all of the things that you suggest when i get a moment. Thanks again.

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Truth- the true or actual state of a manner;conformity with fact or reality; an indisputable fact

Fact- something that actually exists or is known to have happened.

God's truth and the fact of the Gospel's historical accuracy have to go hand in hand or else the Gospels are no more real for Christians than the Oddyssey was for the Ancient Greeks. If God is incapable of a lie, if His being means Truth, as Jesus says that He is Truth Himself, than saying that His divine assistance, which guided the hands of the Gospel writers, told untruths, stories that never happened, when in fact the Apostle's were suppose to pass down the faith as Jesus had told them to do so, then God would not be Love,Truth and all knowing as we believe Him to be. If God did not become a man who lived with us and suffered and died for us, then we are not justified in the eyes of God, but rather, fools who are no better than pagans who contrived stories to explain the universe. (sorry for the extemely long sentences)

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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
On the other hand, if every passage of the Bible is to be interpreted literally, then are we to understand every time Our Lord starts a parable with "There was a man...", that He is talking about a real person living a historical, factual event?...


I never asserted that parables addressed literal, historical events or persons, nor did I assert that everything in the Bible should be interpreted literally or as historical events. But where the text clearly intends to relate an historic event or person, I respect its event character instead of mythologizing it. Genesis is relating the revealed history of the origins of humanity and, specifically the nation of Israel. I believe in the integrity of the narrative as relating true events, albeit conveyed according to ancient literary forms. With that said, it should not be interpreted literalistically, but according to its authentic literal sense.

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And yes, your quote from DV is what I was talking about. If we "should carefully investigate what meaning the sacred writers really intended", it is because this real intention may not be obvious from the text itself and, if contextual research indicate the real intention might not have been served with an historically accurrate narrative, then we should be ready to at least consider the possibility that the narrative is not historically accurrate.


I think your point about the parables of Jesus is a good example of this. Taken in context, there is nothing to indicate to my knowledge that Jesus is asserting the historical character of the stories. With that said, nothing of the Genesis narrative indicates a parabolic form, nor has it been traditionally interpreted as anything but an historical narrative. Also, I have some concern about you ascribing inaccuracies to historical narratives. Imprecision? Yes. But inaccuracy? I think this runs counter to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy.

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Read the Gospel. Everything you read there is Truth, however, not all is Fact. Truth and Fact are not synonyms. God speaks Truth, always, by definition. However, as the Gospels clearly show, God doesn't always speak Fact. What is true in the Gospels, is also true in the OT.


I agree with you to a point. But you need to beware of approaching the Gospels (or other sections of the Bible) as you would approach the accounts of the heroism of Hercules. If you trust Tradition, read what the fathers have to say about the proper interpretation of Scripture. Ultimately, your "truth without facts" approach, if taken too far, risks rendering the whole of the sacred text as parabolic.

I thought, for the purpose of clarification, I would share what I am NOT asserting about the inerrancy of the Word of God in Sacred Scripture.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM

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Fundamentalist Interpretation

Fundamentalist interpretation starts from the principle that the Bible, being the word of God, inspired and free from error, should be read and interpreted literally in all its details. But by "literal interpretation" it understands a naively literalist interpretation, one, that is to say, which excludes every effort at understanding the Bible that takes account of its historical origins and development. It is opposed, therefore, to the use of the historical-critical method, as indeed to the use of any other scientific method for the interpretation of Scripture.

The fundamentalist interpretation had its origin at the time of the Reformation, arising out of a concern for fidelity to the literal meaning of Scripture. After the century of the Enlightenment it emerged in Protestantism as a bulwark against liberal exegesis.

The actual term <fundamentalist> is connected directly with the American Biblical Congress held at Niagara, N.Y., in 1895. At this meeting, conservative Protestant exegetes defined "five points of fundamentalism": the verbal inerrancy of Scripture, the divinity of Christ, his virginal birth, the doctrine of vicarious expiation and the bodily resurrection at the time of the second coming of Christ. As the fundamentalist way of reading the Bible spread to other parts of the world, it gave rise to other ways of interpretation, equally "literalist," in Europe, Asia, Africa and South America. As the 20th century comes to an end, this kind of interpretation is winning more and more adherents, in religious groups and sects, as also among Catholics.

Fundamentalism is right to insist on the divine inspiration of the Bible, the inerrancy of the word of God and other biblical truths included in its five fundamental points. But its way of presenting these truths is rooted in an ideology which is not biblical, whatever the proponents of this approach might say. For it demands an unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes, as the only source of teaching for Christian life and salvation, a reading of the Bible which rejects all questioning and any kind of critical research.

The basic problem with fundamentalist interpretation of this kind is that, refusing to take into account the historical character of biblical revelation, it makes itself incapable of accepting the full truth of the incarnation itself. As regards relationships with God, fundamentalism seeks to escape any closeness of the divine and the human. It refuses to admit that the inspired word of God has been expressed in human language and that this word has been expressed, under divine inspiration, by human authors possessed of limited capacities and resources. For this reason, it tends to treat the biblical text as if it had been dictated word for word by the Spirit. It fails to recognize that the word of God has been formulated in language and expression conditioned by various periods. It pays no attention to the literary forms and to the human ways of thinking to be found in the biblical texts, many of which are the result of a process extending over long periods of time and bearing the mark of very diverse historical situations.

Fundamentalism also places undue stress upon the inerrancy of certain details in the biblical texts, especially in what concerns historical events or supposedly scientific truth. It often historicizes material which from the start never claimed to be historical. It considers historical everything that is reported or recounted with verbs in the past tense, failing to take the necessary account of the possibility of symbolic or figurative meaning.

Fundamentalism often shows a tendency to ignore or to deny the problems presented by the biblical text in its original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek form. It is often narrowly bound to one fixed translation, whether old or present-day. By the same token it fails to take account of the "re-readings" (<re-lectures>) of certain texts which are found within the Bible itself.

In what concerns the Gospels, fundamentalism does not take into account the development of the Gospel tradition, but naively confuses the final stage of this tradition (what the evangelists have written) with the initial (the words and deeds of the historical Jesus). At the same time fundamentalism neglects an important fact: The way in which the first Christian communities themselves understood the impact produced by Jesus of Nazareth and his message. But it is precisely there that we find a witness to the apostolic origin of the Christian faith and its direct expression. Fundamentalism thus misrepresents the call voiced by the Gospel itself.

Fundamentalism likewise tends to adopt very narrow points of view. It accepts the literal reality of an ancient, out-of-date cosmology simply because it is found expressed in the Bible; this blocks any dialogue with a broader way of seeing the relationship between culture and faith. Its relying upon a non-critical reading of certain texts of the Bible serves to reinforce political ideas and social attitudes that are marked by prejudices�racism, for example�quite contrary to the Christian Gospel.

Finally, in its attachment to the principle "Scripture alone," fundamentalism separates the interpretation of the Bible from the tradition, which, guided by the Spirit, has authentically developed in union with Scripture in the heart of the community of faith. It fails to realize that the New Testament took form within the Christian church and that it is the Holy Scripture of this church, the existence of which preceded the composition of the texts. Because of this, fundamentalism is often anti-church, it considers of little importance the creeds, the doctrines and liturgical practices which have become part of church tradition, as well as the teaching function of the church itself. It presents itself as a form of private interpretation which does not acknowledge that the church is founded on the Bible and draws its life and inspiration from Scripture.

The fundamentalist approach is dangerous, for it is attractive to people who look to the Bible for ready answers to the problems of life. It can deceive these people, offering them interpretations that are pious but illusory, instead of telling them that the Bible does not necessarily contain an immediate answer to each and every problem. Without saying as much in so many words, fundamentalism actually invites people to a kind of intellectual suicide. It injects into life a false certitude, for it unwittingly confuses the divine substance of the biblical message with what are in fact its human limitations.

Here is what I am trying to assert, albeit in my own imperfect way!

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The Meaning of Inspired Scripture

The contribution made by modern philosophical hermeneutics and the recent development of literary theory allows biblical exegesis to deepen its understanding of the task before it, the complexity of which has become ever more evident. Ancient exegesis, which obviously could not take into account modern scientific requirements, attributed to every text of Scripture several levels of meaning. The most prevalent distinction was that between the literal sense and the spiritual sense. Medieval exegesis distinguished within the spiritual sense three different aspects, each relating, respectively, to the truth revealed, to the way of life commended and to the final goal to be achieved. From this came the famous couplet of Augustine of Denmark (13th century):

"Littera gesta docet, quid credas allegoria, moralis quid agas, quid speras anagogia."

In reaction to this multiplicity of senses, historical-critical exegesis adopted, more or less overtly, the thesis of the one single meaning: A text cannot have at the same time more than one meaning. All the effort of historical-critical exegesis goes into defining "the" precise sense of this or that biblical text seen within the circumstances in which it was produced.

But this thesis has now run aground on the conclusions of theories of language and of philosophical hermeneutics, both of which affirm that written texts are open to a plurality of meaning.

The problem is not simple, and it arises in different ways in regard to different types of texts: historical accounts, parables, oracular pronouncements, laws, proverbs, prayers, hymns, etc. Nevertheless, while keeping in mind that considerable diversity of opinion also prevails, some general principles can be stated.

1. The Literal Sense

It is not only legitimate, it is also absolutely necessary to seek to define the precise meaning of texts as produced by their authors�what is called the "literal" meaning. St. Thomas Aquinas had already affirmed the fundamental importance of this sense (S. Th. I, q. 1,a. 10, ad 1).

The literal sense is not to be confused with the "literalist" sense to which fundamentalists are attached. It is not sufficient to translate a text word for word in order to obtain its literal sense. One must understand the text according to the literary conventions of the time. When a text is metaphorical, its literal sense is not that which flows immediately from a word-to-word translation (e.g. "Let your loins be girt": Lk. 12:35), but that which corresponds to the metaphorical use of these terms ("Be ready for action"). When it is a question of a story, the literal sense does not necessarily imply belief that the facts recounted actually took place, for a story need not belong to the genre of history but be instead a work of imaginative fiction.

The literal sense of Scripture is that which has been expressed directly by the inspired human authors. Since it is the fruit of inspiration, this sense is also intended by God, as principal author. One arrives at this sense by means of a careful analysis of the text, within its literary and historical context. The principal task of exegesis is to carry out this analysis, making use of all the resources of literary and historical research, with a view to defining the literal sense of the biblical texts with the greatest possible accuracy (cf "Divino Afflante Spiritu: Ench. Bibl.," 550). To this end, the study of ancient literary genres is particularly necessary (ibid. 560).

Does a text have only one literal sense? In general, yes; but there is no question here of a hard and fast rule, and this for two reasons. First, a human author can intend to refer at one and the same time to more than one level of reality. This is in fact normally the case with regard to poetry. Biblical inspiration does not reject this capacity of human psychology and language; the fourth Gospel offers numerous examples of it. Second, even when a human utterance appears to have only one meaning, divine inspiration can guide the expression in such way as to create more than one meaning. This is the case with the saying of Caiaphas in John 11:50: At one and the same time it expresses both an immoral political ploy and a divine revelation. The two aspects belong, both of them, to the literal sense, for they are both made clear by the context. Although this example may be extreme, it remains significant, providing a warning against adopting too narrow a conception of the inspired text's literal sense.

One should be especially attentive to the dynamic aspect of many texts. The meaning of the royal psalms, for example, should not be limited strictly to the historical circumstances of their production. In speaking of the king, the psalmist evokes at one and the same time both the institution as it actually was and an idealized vision of kingship as God intended it to be; in this way the text carries the reader beyond the institution of kingship in its actual historical manifestation. Historical-critical exegesis has too often tended to limit the meaning of texts by tying it too rigidly to precise historical circumstances. It should seek rather to determine the direction of thought expressed by the text; this direction, far from working toward a limitation of meaning, will on the contrary dispose the exegete to perceive extensions of it that are more or less foreseeable in advance.

One branch of modern hermeneutics has stressed that human speech gains an altogether fresh status when put in writing. A written text has the capacity to be placed in new circumstances, which will illuminate it in different ways, adding new meanings to the original sense. This capacity of written texts is especially operative in the case of the biblical writings, recognized as the word of God. Indeed, what encouraged the believing community to preserve these texts was the conviction that they would continue to be bearers of light and life for generations of believers to come. The literal sense is, from the start, open to further developments, which are produced through the "rereading" ("re-lectures") of texts in new contexts.

It does not follow from this that we can attribute to a biblical text whatever meaning we like, interpreting it in a wholly subjective way. On the contrary, one must reject as unauthentic every interpretation alien to the meaning expressed by the human authors in their written text. To admit the possibility of such alien meanings would be equivalent to cutting off the biblical message from its root, which is the word of God in its historical communication; it would also mean opening the door to interpretations of a wildly subjective nature.

2. The Spiritual Sense

There are reasons, however, for not taking <alien> in so strict a sense as to exclude all possibility of higher fulfillment. The paschal event, the death and resurrection of Jesus, has established a radically new historical context, which sheds fresh light upon the ancient texts and causes them to undergo a change in meaning. In particular, certain texts which in ancient times had to be thought of as hyperbole (e.g. the oracle where God, speaking of a son of David, promised to establish his throne "forever": 2 Sm. 7:12-13; 1 Chr. 17:11-14), these texts must now be taken literally, because "Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more" (Rom. 6:9). Exegetes who have a narrow, "historicist" idea about the literal sense will judge that here is an example of an interpretation alien to the original. Those who are open to the dynamic aspect of a text will recognize here a profound element of continuity as well as a move to a different level: Christ rules forever, but not on the earthly throne of David (cf also Ps. 2:7-8; 110: 1.4).

In such cases one speaks of "the spiritual sense." As a general rule we can define the spiritual sense, as understood by Christian faith, as the meaning expressed by the biblical texts when read under the influence of the Holy Spirit, in the context of the paschal mystery of Christ and of the new life which flows from it. This context truly exists. In it the New Testament recognizes the fulfillment of the Scriptures. It is therefore quite acceptable to reread the Scriptures in the light of this new context, which is that of life in the Spirit.

The above definition allows us to draw some useful conclusions of a more precise nature concerning the relationship between the spiritual and literal senses:

Contrary to a current view, there is not necessarily a distinction between the two senses. When a biblical text relates directly to the paschal mystery of Christ or to the new life which results from it, its literal sense is already a spiritual sense. Such is regularly the case in the New Testament. It follows that it is most often in dealing with the Old Testament that Christian exegesis speaks of the spiritual sense. But already in the Old Testament there are many instances where texts have a religious or spiritual sense as their literal sense. Christian faith recognizes in such cases an anticipatory relationship to the new life brought by Christ.

While there is a distinction between the two senses, the spiritual sense can never be stripped of its connection with the literal sense. The latter remains the indispensable foundation. Otherwise one could not speak of the "fulfillment" of Scripture. Indeed, in order that there be fulfillment, a relationship of continuity and of conformity is essential. But it is also necessary that there be transition to a higher level of reality.

The spiritual sense is not to be confused with subjective interpretations stemming from the imagination or intellectual speculation. The spiritual sense exults from setting the text in relation to real facts which are not foreign to it: the paschal event, in all its inexhaustible richness, which constitutes the summit of he divine intervention in the history of Israel, to the benefit of all mankind.

Spiritual interpretation, whether in community or in private, will discover the authentic spiritual sense only to the extent that it is kept within these perspectives. One then holds together three levels of reality: the biblical text, the paschal mystery and the present circumstances of life in the Spirit.

Persuaded that the mystery of Christ offers the key to interpretation of all Scripture, ancient exegesis labored to find a spiritual sense in the minutest details of the biblical text�for example, in every prescription of the ritual law�making use of rabbinic methods or inspired by Hellenistic allegorical exegesis. Whatever its pastoral usefulness might have been in the past, modern exegesis cannot ascribe true interpretative value to this kind of procedure (cf "Divino Afflante Spiritu: Ench. Bibl." 553).

One of the possible aspects of the spiritual sense is the typological. This is usually said to belong not to Scripture itself but to the realities expressed by Scripture: Adam as the figure of Christ (cf Rom. 5: 14), the flood as the figure of baptism (1 Pt. 3:20-21), etc. Actually, the connection involved in typology is ordinarily based on the way in which Scripture describes the ancient reality (cf. the voice of Abel: Gn. 4:10; Heb. 11:4; 12:24) and not simply on the reality itself. Consequently, in such a case one can speak of a meaning that is truly Scriptural.

Here is an additional document from the PBC on the historicity of the Gospels and it cites the need to respect its historical character:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCGOSPL.HTM

God bless,

Gordo

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I concur with the above posts, but rather than fleeing, there are things you can do:
get thee to a Christian bookstore or the bookstore of a good fundamental Christian college, and get a text on OT intro. read and learn. you need to learn how to interact with other opinions, and this can be a glorious opportunity.
you can also learn diplomacy when you need to react to the liberal horse poo that emanates from that apostate prof's mouth. if you don't, he can kick your butt when grades come out, so speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15).
what you need to remember, good friend, is that the JEPD Wellhausen hypothesis which is what it really is, lacks unamity amongst its panderers. they have gotten their crayons and decided and color in which verse is Jehovist, Elohist, Priestly, or Deuteronomic, and then they argue amongst themselves which is which. what it really boils down to is that a lot of them refuse to subject themselves to the authority of the written Word of God, they refuse to acknowledge a God Who reveals Himself to humankind and to Whom humankind is accountable.
what is truly sad, is that the NAB is rife with this apostate crap, just read the intro to the Pentateuch, and this is the Catholic pulpit Bible.
stay in touch, and let us know how it goes, it is not over, not by a long shot.
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Okay, I am a bit confused, perhaps. Does asserting the inerrancy of Scripture entail believing that there really was a universal flood covering every parcel of land on earth and that Noah really did get 2 of every kind of animal and put them on the ark? Must we hold that it is a historical fact that there was a time when people lived to be 900+ years? Must we hold that it really was a literal serpent that spoke to eve and that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a literal tree? And is it a literal fact asserted by Scripture that the reason why snakes crawl on the ground is that God did indeed curse the serpent as a species? And, did semi-divine beings come down and have sex with human females producing giants?

Aren't there some facts that are better conveyed by fiction than straightforward history? And if we hold that the bible is not simply straightforward history, does that entail that we regard it all as pure myth? Why not history in the sense of a historical novel? The basic outline is history, but the details may contain many literary inventions? How is that a lie? It would seem that it is only error, or a lie to us moderns. The ancients had no problem with that. If you look at the speeches in Acts, it is clear that they are stylized speeches and that Luke is doing what any ancient graeco-roman writer would do. He is creating the kind of speech that Peter or Stephen would have given, not necessarily giving a verbatum report. Does that mean that Luke is lying? or making an error? Peace in Christ,

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Jenkins,

It sounds to me that the class is teaching doubt rather than faith. Some measure of the historical method is appropriate. I do not doubt, for instance that there are two different creation stories, arising out of two communities of faith, the Yawhist and Priestly.

The problem is, many modern scholars have a bias they bring to the text- namely, a skepticism about supernatural events recorded in scripture. They believe that the accounts in the gospels are not to be taken as history, because they fill a propogandizing function. This kind of historical critical method is actually unscientific.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church tells us that we can trust the Gospel events as real historical events. I can't find that exact quote, but it says something like the Church unhesistatingly accepts the gospel accounts as historical (Maybe someone else has the quote at hand?).

C.S. Lewis came to Christ in part because as a literary expert, he discerned that the New Testament literature was not mythic but people's authentic memories.

I would agree with what some of the other posts have said about sticking it out only if you have very solid outside support and a spiritual father. Otherwise, get out. Be safe. Your soul is at stake.

The uncritical use of the historical criticism method has absolutely destroyed the mainline protestant churches, and has infected the catholic church as well.

And buy yourself a good bible, I recommend the Ignatius bible RSV, either first or second edition, or the Orthodox Study Bible. Also, if you can afford it, the Navarre New Testament, which is the RSV NT in a study edition, a nice hard back for about $45 bucks retail.

Scott Hahn also has edited several study editions of NT books in a series called the Ignatius Study Bible. I believe that they have most of the NT complete, but each NT book is sold separately at this time.

See Scott Hahn's bible resources:
http://www.salvationhistory.com/index.cfm

Amazon will have all of these bibles cheaper than retail.

Blessings, May Jesus through the Theotokos keep you.

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Here are a few documents that may prove interesting in this discussion.

The first comes from the Pontifical Biblical Commission when it was an official organ of Catholic magisterial teaching (something which ended after the Second Vatican Council):

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Concerning the Historical Character of the First Three Chapters of Genesis

June 30, 1909 (AAS 1 [1909] 567ff; EB 332ff; Dz 2121ff)

I: Do the various exegetical systems excogitated and defended under the guise of science to exclude the literal historical sense of the first three chapters of Genesis rest on a solid foundation?

Answer: In the negative.

II: Notwithstanding the historical character and form of Genesis, the special connection of the first three chapters with one another and with the following chapters, the manifold testimonies of the Scriptures both of the Old and of the New Testaments, the almost unanimous opinion of the holy Fathers and the traditional view which the people of Israel also has handed on and the Church has always held, may it be taught that: the aforesaid three chapters of Genesis Contain not accounts of actual events, accounts, that is, which correspond to objective reality and historical truth, but, either fables derived from the mythologies and cosmogonies of ancient peoples and accommodated by the sacred writer to monotheistic doctrine after the expurgation of any polytheistic error; or allegories and symbols without any foundation in objective reality proposed under the form of history to inculcate religious and philosophical truths; or finally legends in part historical and in part fictitious freely composed with a view to instruction and edification?

Answer: In the negative to both parts.

III: In particular may the literal historical sense be called in doubt in the case of facts narrated in the same chapters which touch the foundations of the Christian religion: as are, among others, the creation of all things by God in the beginning of time; the special creation of man; the formation of the first woman from the first man; the unity of the human race; the original felicity of our first parents in the state of justice, integrity, and immortality; the command given by God to man to test his obedience; the transgression of the divine command at the instigation of the devil under the form of a serpent; the degradation of our first parents from that primeval state of innocence; and the promise of a future Redeemer?

Answer: In the negative.

IV: In the interpretation of those passages in these chapters which the Fathers and Doctors understood in different manners without proposing anything certain and definite, is it lawful, without prejudice to the judgement of the Church and with attention to the analogy of faith, to follow and defend the opinion that commends itself to each one?

Answer: In the affirmative.

V: Must each and every word and phrase occurring in the aforesaid chapters always and necessarily be understood in its literal sense, so that it is never lawful to deviate from it, even when it appears obvious that the diction is employed in an applied sense, either metaphorical or anthropomorphical, and either reason forbids the retention or necessity imposes the abandonment of the literal sense?

Answer: In the negative.

VI: Provided that the literal and historical sense is presupposed, may certain passages in the same chapters, in the light of the example of the holy Fathers and of the Church itself, be wisely and profitably interpreted in an allegorical and prophetic sense?

Answer: In the affirmative.

VII: As it was not the mind of the sacred author in the composition of the first chapter of Genesis to give scientific teaching about the internal Constitution of visible things and the entire order of creation, but rather to communicate to his people a popular notion in accord with the current speech of the time and suited to the understanding and capacity of men, must the exactness of scientific language be always meticulously sought for in the interpretation of these matters?

Answer: In the negative.

VIII : In the designation and distinction of the six days mentioned in the first chapter of Genesis may the word Yom (day) be taken either in the literal sense for the natural day or in an applied sense for a certain space of time, and may this question be the subject of free discussion among exegetes?

Answer: In the affirmative.



Here is the homily of a priest that covers some of the same territory. I thought it was well presented.

http://web2.airmail.net/carlsch/MaterDei/Homilies/homily031012.htm

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On Creation: What a Catholic Must Believe

Previously, we spoke on the First Person of the Blessed Trinity, �God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth.� In this article of the creed we profess our belief in the Creator. Although not directly implied in the creed, it will nevertheless profit us to consider what Catholics have to believe concerning creation itself... which is our topic today.

There are many theories regarding creation. Some teach the pre-existence of matter i.e., big-bang and stellar formation theories; some teach that life originated as minute spores transported through space on meteorites (Cosmozoic Theory) or that nucleic acids (DNA and RNA) miraculously formed to begin an evolutionary process of life (Biopoesis Theory); and there are scientists who say man himself is the result of natural processes. What�s a Catholic to believe?

The first 3 chapters of the book of Genesis contain the bulk of our answer. The Church has defended this deposit from scholars intent upon a too naturalistic interpretation.

To preserve scripture against false opinions, Pope Leo XIII instituted the Pontifical Biblical Commission by his Apostolic Letter, Vigilantiae in 1902. Later, Pope St. Pius X decreed that �All are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission which have been given in the past and which will be given in the future.� (Motu Propio Praestantia Sacrae Scripturae, 1907). Since Vatican II the Commission�s decrees no-longer require our assent.

On June 30, 1909, the Commission made several key decisions regarding the creation account given in the first three chapters of Genesis. We will review three of these.

First, the Commission rejected the notion that the first three chapters of Genesis contain either myths or fables, allegories meant to explain higher things, or legends only true in part and simultaneously affirmed that these chapters contain objective reality and historical truth.

Second, the Commission rejected the notion that the literal and historical sense of Genesis could be called into question when the narration pertains to the foundations of the Christian religion. The Commission identified some issues which may not be called into question: �for example, among others, the creation of all things wrought by God in the beginning of time; the special creation of man; the formation of the first woman from the first man; the oneness of the human race; the original happiness of our first parents in the state of justice, integrity, and immortality; the command given to man by God to prove his obedience; the transgression of the divine command through the devil�s persuasion under the guise of the serpent; the casting out of our first parents out of that first state of innocence; and also the promise of a future restorer.�

Third, on the question of whether the earth was created in six days or not, the Commission affirmed that the word dies (day) can be taken either in its proper sense as a natural day, or in the improper sense of a certain space of time; and that there can be free disagreement among exegetes on this question.

These decisions clearly manifest Catholic parameters concerning the book of Genesis and creation. Genesis contains real and objective history; it requires literal belief on issues pertaining to the foundations of our Faith; there may be free disagreement on questions of time frame. We will review the nine specific examples given by the Commission which demand our assent.

1. The creation of all things wrought by God in the beginning of time. We must believe that a Divine Being is the ultimate cause for the universe. God �creates� in the strict sense which is to say, God brings forth from nothing and this act simultaneously begins time.

2. The special creation of man. We must believe that God uniquely created man with a rational soul. Whether directly from the slime of the earth or indirectly through a succession of other organic bodies is not a concern. We must believe that at one point God infused into some matter a rational soul making the first man.

3. The formation of the first woman from the first man. We must believe that God miraculously formed Eve from Adam. As we read in Genesis, �the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam and when he was fast asleep, He took one of his ribs and filled up flesh for it.� (Gn 2:21)

4. The oneness of the human race. We must believe that every man born into this world shares the same first parents namely, Adam and Eve. The Church condemns polygenism, the false doctrine that mankind has several first parents. For if such were true not all mankind would be stained with original sin and, thereby, not all mankind would need redemption. (see Rm 5:12)

5. The original happiness of our first parents. Adam and Eve were perfectly happy in their pristine condition. They were created in a state of justice having intimate friendship of God; a state of integrity, they had perfect control over their passions; a state of immortality, they could not die. The privileges of our first parents makes it difficult to find a reason for their disobedience... a question the Church studies under the title: the mystery of iniquity.

6. The command given to man by God to prove his obedience. We must believe God tested Adam to prove his obedience. The meaning of �Thou shall not eat of the tree of knowledge� awaits a full explanation but it is enough to know Adam was tested by God for his obedience and his response would affect all mankind.

7. The transgression of the divine command through the devil�s persuasion under the guise of a serpent. We must believe that the devil exists and that Adam failed his test through demonic persuasion. In persuading Adam to sin, the devil takes possession of an organic life form recognizable as a serpent... perhaps even as a dragon as read in other scriptures.

8. The casting out of our first parents out of that first state of innocence. We must believe that by his sin, Adam and Eve, the purest human persons outside our Blessed Lady, lost God�s intimate friendship and became subject to concupiscence, suffering, and death

9. The promise of a future restorer. We must believe that God promised to send someone to restore the friendship He had with mankind in the beginning. This promise is recorded in Genesis 3:15 wherein God tells the serpent, �I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heal.� This woman may be taken as our Lady or the Church either of which has the upper hand, �she shall crush thy head;� however, the seed of this woman must expect some suffering, �thou shalt lie in wait for her heal.�

These are some key positions we must hold concerning the book of Genesis and creation. Catholics are given freedom on the issue of when these things may have happened. Common evolutionary theory teaches that the universe formed 10-20 billion years ago, life began 4.5 billion years ago, and man arose 10 million years ago. A Catholic may believe this timing or he may equally hold that the universe was created in 6 days and is 6,000 years old... and this I believe.


Finally, this post would be incomplete without mentioning Pius XII's Encyclical Letter Humani Generis:

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12hg.htm

Here are a few relevant quotations:

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35. It remains for Us now to speak about those questions which, although they pertain to the positive sciences, are nevertheless more or less connected with the truths of the Christian faith. in fact, not a few insistently demand that the Catholic religion take these sciences into account as much as possible. This certainly would be praiseworthy in the case of clearly proved facts; but caution must be used when there is rather question of hypotheses, having some sort of scientific foundation, in which the doctrine contained in Sacred Scripture or in Tradition is involved. If such conjectural opinions are directly or indirectly opposed to the doctrine revealed by God, then the demand that they be recognized can in no way be admitted.

36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter -- for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. However, this must be done in such a way that the reasons for both opinions, that is, those favorable and those unfavorable to evolution, be weighed and judged with the necessary seriousness, moderation and measure, and provided that all are prepared to submit to the judgment of the Church, to whom Christ has given the mission of interpreting authentically the Sacred Scriptures and of defending the dogmas of faith.[17] Some however, rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question.

37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is no no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[18]

38. Just as in the biological and anthropological sciences, so also in the historical sciences there are those who boldly transgress the limits and safeguards established by the Church. In a particular way must be deplored a certain too free interpretation of the historical books of the Old Testament. Those who favor this system, in order to defend their cause, wrongly refer to the Letter which was sent not long ago to the Archbishop of Paris by the Pontifical Commission on Biblical Studies.[19] This letter, in fact, clearly points out that the first eleven chapters of Genesis, although properly speaking not conforming to the historical method used by the best Greek and Latin writers or by competent authors of our time, do nevertheless pertain to history in a true sense, which however must be further studied and determined by exegetes; the same chapters, (the Letter points out), in simple and metaphorical language adapted to the mentality of a people but little cultured, both state the principal truths which are fundamental for our salvation, and also give a popular description of the origin of the human race and the chosen people. If, however, the ancient sacred writers have taken anything from popular narrations (and this may be conceded), it must never be forgotten that they did so with the help of divine inspiration, through which they were rendered immune from any error in selecting and evaluating those documents.

39. Therefore, whatever of the popular narrations have been inserted into the Sacred Scriptures must in no way be considered on a par with myths or other such things, which are more the product of an extravagant imagination than of that striving for truth and simplicity which in the Sacred Books, also of the Old Testament, is so apparent that our ancient sacred writers must be admitted to be clearly superior to the ancient profane writers.

40. Truly, we are aware that the majority of Catholic doctors, the fruit of whose studies is being gathered in universities, in seminaries and in the colleges of religious, are far removed from those errors which today, whether through a desire for novelty or through a certain immoderate zeal for the apostolate, are being spread either openly or covertly. But we know also that such new opinions can entice the incautious; and therefore we prefer to withstand the very beginnings rather than to administer the medicine after the disease has grown inveterate.

41. For this reason, after mature reflexion and consideration before God, that We may not be wanting in Our sacred duty, We charge the Bishops and the Superiors General of Religious Orders, binding them most seriously in conscience, to take most diligent care that such opinions be not advanced in schools, in conferences or in writings of any kind, and that they be not taught in any manner whatsoever to the clergy or the faithful.

42. Let the teachers in ecclesiastical institutions be aware that they cannot with tranquil conscience exercise the office of teaching entrusted to them, unless in the instruction of their students they religiously accept and exactly observe the norms which We have ordained. That due reverend and submission which in their unceasing labor they must profess toward the Teaching Authority of the Church, let them instill also into the minds and hearts of their students.

43. Let them strive with every force and effort to further the progress of the sciences which they teach; but let them also be careful not to transgress the limits which We have established for the protection of the truth of Catholic faith and doctrine. With regard to new questions, which modern culture and progress have brought to the foreground, let them engage in most careful research, but with the necessary prudence and caution; finally, let them not think, indulging in a false "eirenicism," that the dissident and the erring can happily be brought back to the bosom of the Church, if the whole truth found in the Church is not sincerely taught to all without corruption or diminution.


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I found the quote from the catechism on the gospels:

We can distinguish three stages in the formation of the Gospels:

1. The life and teaching of Jesus. The Church holds firmly that the four Gospels, "whose historicity she unhesitatingly affirms, faithfully hand on what Jesus, the Son of God, while he lived among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation, until the day when he was taken up."99

2. The oral tradition. "For, after the ascension of the Lord, the apostles handed on to their hearers what he had said and done, but with that fuller understanding which they, instructed by the glorious events of Christ and enlightened by the Spirit of truth, now enjoyed."100

3. The written Gospels. "The sacred authors, in writing the four Gospels, selected certain of the many elements which had been handed on, either orally or already in written form; others they synthesized or explained with an eye to the situation of the churches, while sustaining the form of preaching, but always in such a fashion that they have told us the honest truth about Jesus."101


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Lance,

Greeeaaaat quote! Here is another section of the Catechism that addresses the interpretation of Scripture and the use of the spiritual senses:

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III. THE HOLY SPIRIT, INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE

109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.

110 In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. "For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression."

111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. "Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written."

The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it.

112 1. Be especially attentive "to the content and unity of the whole Scripture". Different as the books which compose it may be, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God's plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, open since his Passover.

The phrase "heart of Christ" can refer to Sacred Scripture, which makes known his heart, closed before the Passion, as the Scripture was obscure. But the Scripture has been opened since the Passion; since those who from then on have understood it, consider and discern in what way the prophecies must be interpreted.

113 2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church").

114 3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith. By "analogy of faith" we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.

The senses of Scripture

115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.

1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.

2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".

3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.

118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:

The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.


119 "It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, towards a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgement. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgement of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God."

But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.

To my mind, the renewal of Christian theologial life (both Orthodox and Catholic) will be found in recapturing this method of theologizing and prayer. It will require avoiding certain excesses, but offers tremendous theological treasures!

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