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Ilian,
It doesn't lool like a sticharion, no sleeves, so I am guessing it is one of two things. A little phelon that is given to readers at their ordination, or the cape of the Patriarchal Order of the Holy Cross, I believe this parish has an active branch of this Order which is under the patronage of the Melkite Patriarch.
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Okay, that does answer the what. Can you answer the why?
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Well, if it is the little phelon then I assume she is blessed to be a reader and this was given in recognition of that. I can't imagine Bishop Andrew doing that so I will guess it is the cape of the Order of the Holy Cross, which is open to both men and women and young adults. They were their regalia on solemn feasts.
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Couldn't find the woman mentioned - but there are quite a few features of the photographs which merit some adjectives. The clergy group photo seems to contain a number of distinguised prelates of no known religion.
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I believe these were the local Roman Rite clergy visiting the Cathedral of St. Michael during the anniversary. Remember this was right after Vatican II.
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On the web site there is a picture of a young woman wearing what appears to be a sticharion. What is she actually wearing and why? I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Ray S.,
Have been able to locate (if there are any) pictures of the cantors? Seems to me, cantors are always expected to sing, but rarely recognised at these big events.
Another question- does anyone have photos of the record jacket? I don't have the jacket for the LP I have.
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Perhaps a new thread, on the comparison of the overt Latin influences in the BCC church 40 years ago vs today, would be in order. While some may look with 'disgust' at the pictures, it is the truth of history. One can not project today's current values against history and remain objective. Some things have been changing for the better!
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"The clergy group photo seems to contain a number of distinguised prelates of no known religion."
Come now Fr. Serge you must surely recognize the Latin monsignori and canons as well as the Byzantine monsignori and canons. I see three Byzantine monsignori with purple riassa and two Byzantine canons/archpriests with red riassa and matching kolpaks. I believe the canon/archpriest in the back is Bishop Michael, if I am not mistaken.
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Steve,
I think that's a valid point. The congregational singing was at a high point in our churches, but the shortened liturgies, removed ikonostas' and Latinizations were very prevelant. Today we've removed the Latinizations, restored the length of liturgies and icon screens, but we have to admit that congregational singing is at a all-time low. It seems we now have the opposite that existed back in the '60's and '70's.
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On the web site there is a picture of a young woman wearing what appears to be a sticharion. What is she actually wearing and why? I have no idea what you are talking about. The picture at the top of the page when you click on "parish history".
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Father Michael ask me to respond on his behalf: I was reading some of the comments on that byzcath website and if you would be so kind as to address two comments I would appreciate it from the posts below:
Latinized yes, hideous?
Remind all the "liturgists" that this was 1966. Where were they then, (probably in their Latin churches) and what did their church do? It's impolite to criticize a time gone by. To what purpose? It's like criticizing our founding fathers for wearing powdered wigs, as those dispicable British Monarchs did, because after all we were Americans now. They should get over the past and spend their energies on making a better future. Shame on them!
On the web site there is a picture of a young woman wearing what appears to be a sticharion. What is she actually wearing and why?
This pictures was taken my first year at the parish 1997, when they would have "May Crowning" ( I can hear the garments being torn by the Byzanophiles). That was little Erin, who was looking forward to being the "May Queen" all year long, because this was her year to be it. I did not have the heart to stop the tradition since I just got there, so we had the crowning ceremony, and believe it or not, the roof of the church did not cave in nor did the icons hide their faces! She was wearingt he traditional blue cape for the ceremony. One thing most of the posters do not have any clue about is what pastoral prudence and tact. They never will. That's why I do not post anymore. I would warn you to be careful about posting things about our partish, which becomes red meat for the zelots. All they do is look to condemn and criticize. Brood of vipers all of them. And yes, you can post my reply if you like. I don't really care what they think.
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My comments:
I wanted to add the pictures to the website to show how big the Churches USE to be. How active the people USE to be. I was hoping this might start a little spark in an effort to motivate people to evangelize.
I would like to add we have added two new families (in the last few weeks) to our Church via our efforts of the mailing campaign. So, if you like at the year 2006 we have grown as a parish. I am not a sure of the percentage but it is a positive number. What number is your parish?
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May Crowning is the crowning of an image of the Mother of God, usually on May 1st. A girl is chosen to place the crown on the image, after which the priest blesses the image. It used to be pretty standard in all Latin and some Byzantine Catholic Churches but has fallen out use in many places.
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