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A Synod of Chaldean Bishops that took place in Rome last week, approved a New Liturgy that will be prsented before His-All-Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.

According to the news, the reforms were made to standardize the liturgy and to oficialy implement some changes needed for "pastoral reasons" (addings some words to the anaphora in the vernacular, etc).

This phrase makes me very suspicious:

It seems that the spirit of the 1960's is now entering the Eastern Catholic Church.

Complete news here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20051111130825.htm

My question is:

Why does the Chaldean Church - a Patriarchal Church - need Vatican approval to revise their Liturgy? Isn't the Patriarchal Synod capable of this, being that this is a Patriarchal Church sui iurus (as the Latins say)?

When the Latin Church revised their Liturgy, was it presented to the various Patriarchs, Major Archbishops and their Synods?

No. The news don't say that the liturgy need approval from the Vatican but that it will be presented before the Pope, probably as a kind of consultation.

From what I understand the new liturgy has been approved by the Synod as a form of "experimental" rite. A similar language was used by Vatican II when the Roman Liturgy was revised!

I wonder if the changes are as profound as those of the Roman Church.

Did Father Taft have anything to do with this? I smell Jesuit meddlers, who think they can improve, update, and 'modernize' the Liturgies of the Eastern Churches.

Who are the Improvers and Revisers? Do they have a Liturgy Committee too?

Nick

Hey let's not judge until we see the revisions. Maybe some Latinizations have been taken out which would be a return to true roots as Vatican II mandated.

What is wrong with Father Taft?? He is a respected scholar. Jesuits have contributed many good things in the Eastern Catholic Churches including the revival of the Russian Catholic Churhc.

The Pope is the Ecumenical Hierarch and in that capacity he or his delegates must vet all liturgy anywhere in the church, as liturgy is not private and it must be right.

Pavel Ivanovich,

Not according to Bishop Andrew Pataki. The new Liturgy for the Ruthenian rite states,

There is no mention of the word "Ecumenical".

but the new Ruthenian liturgy needed to be sanctioned by Rome, ecumenical hierarch or not.

Actually Ecumenical Pontiff was removed on Rome's request becasue Ecumenical is a title of the Patriarch of Constantinople not the Pope.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Wow! I had never heard that Mitred Archimandrite Robert was into "modernizing" & "updating" etc. When did this happen?

I had previously always found him SUPER Orthodox! Indeed, the Orthodox clergy I know read him alot.

I once saw him "give heck" to a priest who moved too freely and easily in front of the Holy Table to get from one side of the Altar to the other.

Herb
a little bit shocked about Archimandrite Robert and the Jesuits of the Orientalium/Russicum.

Herb,

Don't believe everything you read here. Many through accusation and innuendo around without fact or evidence.

And without the Jesuits many Eastern parishes would go without any Liturgy at all. God bless the Eastern Jesuits who have served teh Eastern Church through scholarship and service.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Dear Father Deacon Lance,

You are more than correct, Sir!

The Byzantine Jesuits have earned the respect of even the Moscow Patriarch for their work and dedication to the Eastern Church.

There was the Father in India who adopted the Syriac Rite and translated the West Syrian Offices.

He was commended not only by the Syriac Catholic bishops - but by the Syriac Orthodox and he was also encouraged to continue with his work as they had no one who could do what he did.

Certainly, there are old-style Byzantine Jesuits that are out to Latinize Eastern Catholics and Orthodox.

In our Church, we refer to them as "Basilians."

Alex

I went to a Jesuit high school, and I love the Jesuits, and I very much respect and admire Archimandrite Taft. However, let's not forget that the Portuguese Jesuits certainly made a mess of things when they came to India and attempted to Latinise the St. Thomas Christians. Nothing is ever quite black and white.

In any case, I'm much more interested in discovering the content of the revised liturgy than debating the merits of the Jesuits (which I believe far outweigh their failings!)!


Peace,
Alex

Jesuit-educated brethren of the world, unite!

AMDG

(Where is Neil when you needed him?)

Speaking of "Ecumenical," why is the Patriarch of Constantinople referred to as such by Catholics anyway? Just out of courtesy for the EO's?

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