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Dear Mexican,
Certainly, the Orthodox Church does not refer to monastics by the names of the various founders of religious Rules.
But this doesn't mean that all Orthodox monastics follow the same Rule.
In addition to those few Antonian hermits and those following St Pachomios' Rule, the Orthodox Church also formally approves of the Rule of St Benedict and also the regulations of St Basil the Great (indeed, the prayer-rope is derived from St Basil).
There were other monastic "reform Rules" including that of St Paisius Velichkovsky who outlined his way of life in about 20 points, as I understand, with a tremendous emphasis on Hesychasm.
The West loves to tack on initials at the end of monastics' names and even have them sign documents at their profession rites.
It used to be a tradition for members of the Confraternity of the Most Holy Rosary to take on a version of the Name of Mary as a second name, whether they were men or women (I understand this practice persists in a number of RC religious orders to this day).
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Alex,
funny you should mention that. In latin countries, and particularly in Portugal it is very common for children, girls AND boys to be given the name Maria in honour of Our Lady, this would come after the "male" name.
In my case for example, I was supposed to be baptised Filipe Maria, but wasn't in the end.
My Father's brothers include Miguel Maria and Francisco Maria. Jos� Maria and Jo�o Maria are also very common.
Not to mention girls names, all my aunts, on either side of the family (English and Portuguese) have Maria or Mary in their names, and my paternal grandmother was called Maria de Lourdes.
Even in many cases where girls are known as Ros�rio, Assun��o, Concei��o, Lourdes, F�tima etc, this is a shortened version of Maria do Ros�rio, Maria da Assun��o, Maria da Concei��o etc etc.
It's an ancient tradition that I would very much like to continue with my children... my wife to be (17 days left!) is not as happy about the idea as I am.
It is an ancient and, in
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Any updates on this story?
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Which one? Alex-Maryam 
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Yes back to the Chaldean liturgy theme. So is this in line with the mind of the Church as expressed by various Popes and Vatican II. If so then it is very good. I can't imagine them putting something up for approval that did not comply.
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This might have been posted elsewhere, but I only noticed this today: The English text of the reformed and renewed Chaldean Catholic Liturgy can be found here: http://www.kaldu.org/WeeklyNews.htmlIf you read the "Essay on the Reform", you can see the reasons why things were changed. One of the primary reasons was to remove Latinisms. My only regret, in reading through the text, is that the Words of Institution were retained (they're an obvious Latinism that wasn't removed) and that the parts of the litanies that resemble the Byzantine "angel of peace biddings" were removed. Oh well. For the rest, the reasoning in the "Essay on the Reform" is pretty solid, IMO. Peace, Alex NvV
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"who for us men, and for our salvation"?
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I know too little about Russian Catholicism to respond, but judging from the earlier posts by others in this thread (and viewing the Russian Byzantine Catholic Church of Our Lady of Fatima in San Francisco ( http://www.byzantinecatholic.org/ ) as an example), it seems to me that the Jesuits are currently supporting the Eastern Catholic Churches assiduously. (Trivia: Did you know that the Very Rev. Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, the current General of the Society of Jesus, grew up as a Latin Catholic but consciously chose to be canonically enrolled in the Armenian Catholic Church?) The Jesuits are no longer administering Our Lady of Fatima Russian Catholic Church. The pastor is Rev. Hieromonk Eugene Ludwig, OFM Cap.
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A Synod of Chaldean Bishops that took place in Rome last week, approved a New Liturgy that will be prsented before His-All-Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. According to the news, the reforms were made to standardize the liturgy and to oficialy implement some changes needed for "pastoral reasons" (addings some words to the anaphora in the vernacular, etc). This phrase makes me very suspicious: "With the Vatican's green light, the new mass will be gradually explained to the faithful and priests. A trial period will then begin at the parish level and the process will end with a new synod vetting whatever problems that may emerge and deciding a definitive version"... It seems that the spirit of the 1960's is now entering the Eastern Catholic Church. Complete news here: http://www.aina.org/news/20051111130825.htmMexican, This news link is from November 2005!  The reformed Chaldean liturgy has already been implemented at the beginning of this year.
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Jesuits do have a distinct smell; l'odeur de Chardin! 
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"Let him who has not received baptism go..."
Let him who has not accepted the sign of life go..."
Let him who will not receive it go..."
"...who, for us men and for our salvation"
"Brethren, receive..."
"It was for us that the Only-Begotten of God betook of man..."
Doesn't look too bad.
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Jessup B.C. Deacon Member
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"Let him who has not received baptism go..."
Let him who has not accepted the sign of life go..."
Let him who will not receive it go..."
"...who, for us men and for our salvation"
"Brethren, receive..."
"It was for us that the Only-Begotten of God betook of man..."
Doesn't look too bad. Beats the heck out of what we've been saddled with.
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One question about the 'Sign of the Cross' - as far as I know the Syriac Church cross from left-to-right, as the Latin Church, although it is not a latinisation.; both in India and the Middle East. Why does the Chaldean new Mass change to the Byzantine manner?
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One question about the 'Sign of the Cross' - as far as I know the Syriac Church cross from left-to-right, as the Latin Church, although it is not a latinisation.; both in India and the Middle East. Why does the Chaldean new Mass change to the Byzantine manner? I have asked Assyrian Christians how they do the Sign of the Cross, and apparently they do it exactly like the Byzantines -- same direction and same finger positions. So, it's only the West Syrian Tradition, not the East Syrian Tradition, that does left-to-right like the Latins. Blessings as Qyamta (Pascha) draws near! Peace, Alex NvV
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Oosha`n� phorooqoyto blessings to you as well Alex!
The Syro-Malabar Church signs in the Latin/W.Syriac manner, does it not?
Perhaps the practice was in flux/varied by locality, does the Chaldean-Syrian Church in India also cross from right-to-left? and was the practice ever mentioned when the Malabar Chaldean Qurbana was being restored?
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