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Has anyone seen the text for the new liturgy when the Bishop is celebrating? Does it allow for vesting of the Bishop in the Church or does it just have the Bishop process in already vested?

Jesse Venner

LOL!

Is a Byzantine double-headed eagle carpet specified?

Are you asking about the orlets?

Alexandr

So is that a yes or a no?

jesse venner

John,

I assume you mean the orlets. The eagle, at lest in the Slav tradition, is not double-headed.

Neither the Recensio Rutena not Nikonian "Arkhieratikon" make mention of the orlets and its use.

So, to answer your question, I am going to guess "no". Then again, NO "Liturgikon" mentions the use of pre-cuts, but we are all well too aware of what happens...

I don't know what orlets are, but I know that in the Orthodox Churches and the Ukrainian Catholic Churches I have been to that when the Bishop Celebrated the Liturgy that He was vested in the Church in front of the people. So, I an wondering if the Ruthenian Church has this practice as well. Both in the older versions of the Liturgy and the new liturgy.

Jesse Venner

I attended an ordination last August at the BCC cathedral in Parma. Bishop John was vested in church, about halfway up the aisle before Liturgy started.

Greek: dikephalos aitos
Slavonic: orlets
English: eagle (rug)
- Small circular rug or permanent design on the church's floor, presenting a double-headed with outstretched wings soaring over a city. It signifies the watchfulness and authority of the bishop over his diocese. (image [sofrino.ru])

I stand corrected - it seems the eagle on the Greek version is double-headed, while the Slavic ones I've seen are single-headed.

Their use varies, but ideally a church should have a 'few' to hand - otherwise the sub-deacons (or servers) are constantly moving them around. One is placed at every place where the bishop will sit/stand. If I recall correctly, they are placed:

• at the entrance to the church, where the bishop is greeted. It is later removed.
  
• at the 'ambon of the hierarch', where he will be vested and spend the initial part of the Divine Liturgy, only entering the Altar at the Small Entrance.
  
• one each before the icons of the Saviour and the Theotokos on the iconostasis, removed after the Entrance Prayers.
  
• in front of the Holy Table, where the bishop will stand for most of the Liturgy.
  
• just before the Holy (Royal) Doors, where the bishop stands when he give his blessings.
  
• at the foot of his throne on the apsidal wall.
  
• in front of the Table of Preparation during the Cherubic Hymn, as the bishop completes the Proskomede just prior to the Great Entrance.

I don't think so. Just as proskomedia would add more time to the liturgy, vesting a bishop at the start of the Hierarchial liturgy would add wwaayy too much time to the liturgy. It's not pc to have a liturgy in the Ruthenian Metropolia to run over one hour!

Ungcsertezs

And if anyone wants to spend more than one hour a week in church they can come early for the communal Rosary!

...and come back during Lent for Stations of the Cross.

Ungcsertezs

Ungcertezs

As you know perfectly well - that does happen , and not just in the USA

My point is there will be parishes that do what the want, regardless what is promulgated.

Ungcsertezs

Ah, yes I meant the orlets.