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A Chinese Beard:

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An African beard:

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I don't know of any type of male who can't at least grow some kind of beard or facial hair. (Unless he has some sort of disease.)

Anyway, I wish many, many years to His Grace Bishop David!

AXIOS! AXIOS! AXIOS!!!

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Dr. Eric,

By Indians I think he meant Native Americans who have no facial hair, and there are Orientals who cannot grow facial hair as well.

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Father Deacon Lance,

I've even seen Native American Indians who can grow facial hair, I just didn't think of putting an other picture up. Also, I've seen Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Laotian, Filipino, Thai, and Cambodian men with beards as well. (Usually it is a goatee or Van Dyke.)

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Dr. Eric,

A pure blooded Native American cannot grow facial hair.

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Dear Amado,

And your point is? smile

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Dear Friends,

In fact, the beard has a long and venerable history in Orthodox Christianity.

For example, it was a symbol for being a Christian at one time. . .

Sts Anthony, John and Eustace, Lithuanian Slavs martyred by Olgerde, were identified as being Christian SOLELY by their beards and their refusal to shave them off!

St Basil the Great once wrote that when he grabbed his beard he "knew he was not a woman." etc.

The reason the autocephalist Ukrainian Orthodox shaved their beards was to differentiate themselves from the Russian Orthodox. The Kyivan canons of 1921 of the UAOC actually decreed that beards were not to be an absolute rule for clergy. And the Antiochian Metropolitan Philip Sabiba has no beard (always wondered about that!).

The Ukrainian Catholic clergy did not wear beards as bearded clergy earned them the nasty epithet of "Katsap" (ie. Russophile clergy and among the UGCC clergy at one time their name was "legion.").

So there is a long-standing tradition in Orthodoxy about clergy wearing beards (and robes etc.) to show they are an icon of Christ. When UAOC discarded it, they were breaking with that Orthodox tradition (and they broke with it a number of times when they instituted married bishops etc.).

In the UGCC, we are like the Anglicans with "High Church Byzantine" and "Low Church Latin" sections.

I met a young UGCC Basilian priest and looked closely at his black sash. I asked him about it and he smiled as he said, "It's probably a carry-over from the Jesuits - they reformed us four times in our history you know!"

I said I did know but wasn't going to say anything out of courtesy . . . smile

Vladyka David's sister is a Lutheran, it just so happens, and I hope no one will suggest that means he has Protestantizing tendencies as well! smile

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Dear Amado,

And your point is? smile

Alex

I just can't grow a lush, Orthodox beard! blush

P.S. Welcome back, if only for a few!

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It is only by chance that I was able to check the forum for a couple moments. I find that this thread instead of being one of prayers and best wishes for Bishop David, who is a member of our Forum community, has digressed into one about beards.

The thread is way off topic, and I find the direction almost from the start on it has been one that was never intended by the originating poster that started it. Therefore this thread is closed.

I would like to salvage at least the final post here on wishing Bishop David many years in Christ's service as he readies to assume his ministry over his diocese.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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