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I am willing to write. But I don't know what to say. I don't want watered down liberal Roman Catholicism. I want the real Byzantine Liturgy. But if I say it that way they will not listen. What should I put in a letter?

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Originally Posted by nicholas
I think we should send a copy to those monks on mount Athos, who wrote the letter (in another thread) about the meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch.

I wonder what the monks of Athos would say, about our abbreviated, reorganized, modernized, up to date, feminized, and gender neutral Liturgy? Think of the time they could save, wasted on all those psalm verses and repetitive litanies!

Perhaps the monks of Athos would like to follow our couragious lead, and change the way they celebrate the Liturgy in order to conform to the latest insights and contemporary scholarship!

They might even like copies of the 'educational materials' being produced in Pittsburgh, to help them understand all the changes.

Nick

p.s. Following our lead, they will see the advantages that come from Union with Rome, and then maybe they won't be so suspicious.

Sarcasm is often very effective and sometimes very enjoyable, in a dark sort of way. Thank you, Sir.

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My sources say that letters are being received in Rome and Washington.

If you have not written yours write it today.

We need to convince our bishops to do what is correct and finally promulgate the official Ruthenian Divine Liturgy.

Pray for our bishops and for our Church.

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I am quoting back myself to remind everyone to write.

Originally Posted by Dostojno Jest
I encourage everyone in our Church to write letters writing campaign to Rome. We are a small Church. A mere dozen letters from our clergy alone would be able to overturn the reformed liturgy in favor of the real liturgy. If we all write letters and each find only 2 more people to write letters we can succeed. I especially encourage our clergy to write since letters from clergy are not ignored by Rome.

Start by obtaining a good copy of the promulgation and cover letter from your pastor. The one on this website is not good enough.

Send copies to the following people (as a start):

His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI
The Apostolic Palace
00120 Vatican City, Europe

His Eminence Cardinal Ignace Moussa Daoud, Prefect
Congregation for the Oriental Churches
Palazzo del Bramante
Via della Conciliazione, 34
00193 Roma, Italia, Europe
Telephone: 011.39.06.69.88.42.82
Fax: 011.29.06.69.88.43.00

Send separate letters to the following at the same address:

His Excellency Antonio Maria Veglio, Secretary
Mons. Krzystof Nitkiewicz, Undersecretary

And to the following:

His Eminence Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect
Congregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum
Palazzo delle Congregazioni
Piazza Pio XII, 10
00193 Roma, Italia, Europe
Telephone: 011.39.06.69.88.43.16; 011.39.06.69.88.43.18
Fax: 011.39.06.69.88.34.99

His Eminence Cardinal Walter Kasper
Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
Via dell'Erba, 1
00193 Roma, Italia, Europe
Telephone: 011.39.06.69.88.30.72; 011.39.06.69.88.42.71
Fax: 011.39.06.69.88.53.65

When I have a chance I will post the mailing information for all the Greek Catholic patriarchs (especially the Ukrainian Patriarch Lubomyr and the Melkite Patriarch Gregorios III) and for our bishops in Europe.

Keep your letters polite and respectful. Make sure they contain no emotion all.

There is a lot of material on this web board to draw from. Write the letter in your own words and focus on the following points:

1. This Reformed Liturgy violates official books, the Ordo Celebrationis, and the Liturgical Instruction.

2. This Reformed Liturgy makes the Liturgy in our Ruthenian Church different than all other Byzantine / Greek Catholics and thus hurts unity within the Catholic Church.

3. This Reformed Liturgy makes the Liturgy in our Ruthenian Church different than all the other Orthodox Churches and thus hurts Catholic / Orthodox unity.

4. The embracement of inclusive language violates Liturgiam Authenticam.

Make sure your letter is no longer than 2 pages. Have someone not from our Church read it. If they don't understand what you are saying neither will the people in Rome.

Make sure you ask questions. Why did they approve a Byzantine Novus Ordo liturgy that is different than the official Ruthenian books? Why did they direct the use of inclusive language that violates Liturgiam Authenticam? Ask them why the official Ruthenian Divine Liturgy is being prohibited at the same time the Holy Father is considering making the Tridentine Mass an equal standard with the Novus Ordo.

Enclose a copy of Archbishop Basil's promulgation letter and the cover letter sent to your pastor so they know what you are talking about.

Do not threaten to leave or withhold your offerings. Take the position that you are a faithful Byzantine Catholic and that you want the official liturgy of our Church. Take the position that you are willing to do whatever it takes to obtain permission from the Vatican for your parish to continue celebrate the official Ruthenian Divine Liturgy.

Use full names and addresses. Make sure the signatures are clear. If you can sent either U.S. Global mail, UPS or FedEx. The special cardboard envelopes will attract attention.

If you think you can manage it petitions do work. Just make sure that every signature and name and address is captured and legible.

Don't sit back and think someone else will write and you can ignore this. YOU NEED TO WRITE YOUR OWN LETTER! YOU NEED TO WRITE YOUR LETTER TODAY!

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Originally Posted by Dostojno Jest
I encourage everyone in our Church to write letters
I am not clergy, but I am writing my letters today! smile







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Is this really going to work? Do you think that Rome is that 'in the dark' about our Liturgy revision? The last time I checked the Catholic Church was not a democracy but rather a theocracy. If our revised Liturgy is canonically wrong and Rome has let it pass then are they the appropriate channel to go through? Maybe we should be writing letters to the Patriarch of Constantinople instead and asking what we need to do to enter the Orthodox fold.

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Originally Posted by Theologos
Is this really going to work? Do you think that Rome is that 'in the dark' about our Liturgy revision? The last time I checked the Catholic Church was not a democracy but rather a theocracy. If our revised Liturgy is canonically wrong and Rome has let it pass then are they the appropriate channel to go through? Maybe we should be writing letters to the Patriarch of Constantinople instead and asking what we need to do to enter the Orthodox fold.

Tell Partiarch Bartholomew you're tired of watered down, latinized, feminized, Eastern Christianity, and you wish to join the true faith.

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P.S. This was deleted from my last post,(why, I have no idea!) Feel free to join me at my parish Monday evening for the "Great Canon of St. Andrew of Crete".

Has Metropolitan Basil implemented this service yet in the Pittsburgh Archeparchy? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Originally Posted by Theologos
Is this really going to work? Do you think that Rome is that 'in the dark' about our Liturgy revision? The last time I checked the Catholic Church was not a democracy but rather a theocracy. If our revised Liturgy is canonically wrong and Rome has let it pass then are they the appropriate channel to go through? Maybe we should be writing letters to the Patriarch of Constantinople instead and asking what we need to do to enter the Orthodox fold.
Yes. It will work.

The Congregation for the Eastern Catholic Churches is not an efficient organization.

No one at this Congregation speaks English as a first language.

It was approved in 2001 before Liturgiam Authenticam.

30 letters from clergy and laity can stop the Revision.

Yes. Also write to Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople. Ask him to protect the Liturgy against the Reformers. Ask him to make it a condition of unity talks that Ruthenian Byzantine Catholics in America be allowed to have the full Orthodox Liturgy.

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Keep the letter writing going. I've heard many prominent people have been writing such letters. Rome now has to know that this protest is just not a mere few, but from every part of each Eparchy that comprises the Ruthenian Metropolia. I think it would also be good to send a letter to Patriach Lubomyr.

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Dear Ungcsertezs,

Would it be in poor taste to mention it to Patriarch Lubomyr this week when I get to meet His Grace in person? If not, what would be the most correct way to approach this?

In Christ,

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To borrow and olde-tyme expression; Write On!

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Could you, please, clarify for me what all the controversy is about? I only heard about the Revised Divine Liturgy a few weeks ago.

I am not Ruthenian; I am Ukrainian Greek-Catholic under Patriarch Lubomyr. But, I understand that there already exists significant Latinization in the Ruthenian eparchies. Although I have tried to find out what exactly is going on, I'm still a bit puzzled about the particulars:

Is this just a question of translation?

Are there rubrical changes involved?

All I can seem to come up with is that the liturgy has been retranslated and some minor rubrical changes have been suggested (for example, saying the Anaphora aloud).

Is there anything more going on here than just that?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Dunn
Could you, please, clarify for me what all the controversy is about? I only heard about the Revised Divine Liturgy a few weeks ago.

I am not Ruthenian; I am Ukrainian Greek-Catholic under Patriarch Lubomyr. But, I understand that there already exists significant Latinization in the Ruthenian eparchies. Although I have tried to find out what exactly is going on, I'm still a bit puzzled about the particulars:

Is this just a question of translation?

Are there rubrical changes involved?

All I can seem to come up with is that the liturgy has been retranslated and some minor rubrical changes have been suggested (for example, saying the Anaphora aloud).

Is there anything more going on here than just that?

Thanks.

Yes there is more. It's called "Feminized" inclusive language. Tampering with the Creed. "Who for us MEN" in the creed, is now "Who for US" without "MEN" included.

That change alone is causing an uproar. It will be an interesting situation once this is implemented in the next few months.

I'm glad I attend a church where the Creed is said in it's original form.



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Dear Matthew,
The easiest way to find out what the controversy is about is to read my book on the subject (look on the "books" section of the forum for details.
Somewhat trickier is to obtain a copy each of the Ruthenian 1965 translation (often referred to as "the red book") and the most recent Ruthenian Liturgy-book and compare the two.

As you probably know, Patriarch Lubomyr and the entire Synod of Hierarchs of the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church are to meet in Philadelphia in late September. That should be quite pleasant.

Fr. Serge

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