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This is a question that was posted in the "revised Divine Liturgy" forum that was never really answered. Perhaps someone here knows the answer.

Why has the commemoration of St Gregory Palamas been deleted from the new pew books and the wall calenders?

I am sad to hear that St. Gregory was removed, I did not know that. My understanding is that John Paul II insterted Gregory Palamas into the Byzantine Catholic Calendar.

First question:

Were the commemoration in the pew books and wall calendars before? I haven't seen them in any BCC/UGCC wall calendars, though I certainly am no infallible guide to such things.

Don't have any wall calendars here BUT in The Sacrifice of Praise
on page 88 - the Second Sunday of the Great Fast it says

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Second Sunday of the Great Fast .
On this day we celebrate the memory of our holy father Gregory Palamas, Archbishop of Thessalonica . ....

After that we are given the Troparion of the Resurrection followed by the Troparion of the Saint.

Any use ?

The Sacrifice of Praise is copyrighted by Bishop Robert , Eparch of St Josaphat's in Parma

Lance,

He wasn't removed from the church calendar. It is still there and optional whether or not to celebrate it at the parish level. He isn't on the paper printed calender put out by the Byzantine Seminary Press.

Wondering,

thanks, I really like St. Gregory. I like many post-schism saints on both sides of the divide.

I love St. Gregory's mysticism.

Lance

The rubrics for the commemoration of St Gregory is also printed in the yearly 2007 Typikon published for the Ruthenian Church.

Thank you Jack Figel for putting St. Gregory Palamas on the Eastern Christian Bulletin Service bulletin for the Second Sunday of the Great Fast! They are used in 99% of the Ruthenian Metropolitan Churches.

Ungcsertezs

Yeah--but he still ain't in "the book" Why would you put something in the typikon if you don't give it as standard commemoration in the pew book. Houston, we have a problem.

Is someone seriously suggesting that a "pew book" is of greater authority than the Anthologion published by the Holy See?

Fr. Serge

Not suggesting that at all Fr. Serge. If it's in the Anthologion and in the Ruthenian Typikon, but not in the pew book, then there is a disconnect somewhere. How can the people sing the tropar and kondak if they're not there.

The liturgical texts for Saint Gregory Palamas as sung on the 2nd Sunday of Great Lent are readily and easily available; we sang them today with no difficulty at all. Those who want them can have them and use them. That the Novus Ordo Byzantini Ritus doesn't provide them is hardly a surprise - but, again, obtaining them is no problem.

Fr. Serge

My parish commemorated Saint Gregory Palamas today and used his tropar.

I am curious.

Why is the gospel reading for the 2nd Sunday of Great Lent not that of the Transfiguration? Considering it is the Sunday of Gregory Palamas who wrote, preached and is so identified with the Transfiguration, I would think that the Gospel reading of the Transfiguration would make sense.

Interesingly enough, the Roman Church has the Transfiguration as its Gospel reading for the 2nd Sunday of Lent.

Any thoughts?

This is indeed interesting .

According to the Lenten Triodion [ Bp Kallistos & Mother Mary] there are 2 Epistle Readigs and 2 Gospel Readings [ neither of the Gospels is the Transfiguration]

BUT according to the Sheptitsky Anthology and 'The Sacrifice of Praise' there is only 1 Epistle and 1 Gospel.

Can anyone tell me why ?

In our Russian Catholic church we gave honor to St. Gregory today. Father spoke briefly about the today being Transfiguration Sunday in the Roman Church and tied the two nicely together - using some of St. Gregory's words. We are unique though ...