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Thank you Recluse for your comments. So many times I am made to feel guilty for loving my church because I abhor this Revised Divine Liturgy. Your post validated my feelings for the inclusive language -- and I agree -- the Pandora's Box has been opened, let the games begin. In the meatime, pass me another tissue.

Hello Stephanie,

I have just received the latest issue of Byzantine Catholic World. The Sisters of St Basil are sponsering a LifeQuest Gathering in April for young women to explore gifts, and the consecrated life--it is a discernment weekend for a call to religious vocation. The retreat is being held at River's Edge Retreat Center in Cleveland, Oh. Guess what they teach at River's Edge? Are you ready for this?

All types of Yoga
Chi classes
Tai Chi
Quiqounq
cranio-sacral therapy
Guided imagery:healing energy
Reiki
walking the labyrinth
and much, much more...........

The pandora's box is already opening wide! Again, I must warn all faithful Byzantine Catholics: BE WATCHFUL!

With all due respect -- give me a break!

The Antiochians hold their parish life conferences each summer in fancy hotels. Now we all know what happens at fancy hotels -- immorality, drunkenness, and all kinds of horrible things.

Talk about Pandora's box ...

Oh pulease!
We expect the demons of the secular world at fancy hotels. But here we have a supposed Catholic retreat center teaching all kinds of new age mumbo jumbo to oftentimes unsuspecting Catholic laity...and the Bishops do nothing! Do a search on Villa Maria retreat center in Pennsylvania if you really want to see an example of a coven disguised as a Catholic Retreat center. Your hotel analogy is a poor justification.

taking my life in my hands here BUT

Having Googled surely the River's Edge Cetre is run by the Sisters of the congregation of St Joseph ?

Who says that all their facilities will be available to those going to the LifeQuest gathering sponsored by the Sisters of St Basil ?

Does the BCW article or any press release of the Sisters of St. Basil actually state this?

If yes, please provide the reference and a full quote.

If no, and these are only the offerings of a facility they have chosen to use, they you need to withdraw your accusation and apologize for false accusation.

I ask the moderators to delete without comment every post made by Recluse until he responds appropriately.

The article states that this is the facility that they have chosen to use. That is what I had stated. And I included what is taught at this retreat center--I did not say that the retreatants were going to be taught these new age subjects. The website of the retreat center states this: "While you are here, take advantage of the beauty of our building and grounds, enjoy a private room, make use of our indoor pool/exercise room, and enjoy our home cooked meals. You can also make special arrangements to have a body massage, a Reiki treatment or any other of the services our professional staff offers."

If I have offended anyone, I apologize. But who have I falsely accused?

Emotions run high and I find myself in difficult situation. I truly apologize to any and all that I have offended during my short stay on this forum. I beg your forgiveness.

I shall be leaving for an extended period of time as I continue my pilgrimage to the Holy Orthodox Church. I will always pray for the Catholic Church (especially the Ruthenians).

God bless you all!
Recluse

Recluse,

You have falsely accused the Sisters of St. Basil.

Your post carries with it the suggestion that because they have chosen to hold their LifeQuest gathering in a facility that also offers these other things that they somehow support those things. There was absolutely no other reason to introduce the choice of location of a LifeQuest retreat and the non-Christian offerings of that facility into a discussion on inclusive language. It is especially inappropriate to link (as you have done) the beliefs of the owners of the center at which the retreat will be held with those who support the use of inclusive language.

As one who opposes the use of inclusive language I find your original post offensive and your defense of what you have done to be unacceptable.

Admin

Dear Administrator,

In prior posts I have made the link to The Sisters of St Basil and the inclusive language of the Triodion and Matins book. So I do see a link between inclusive language from those publications and the "revised" Divine Liturgy. Perhaps their choice of retreat centers is over reaching a bit, but I am very suspicious by nature.
Nevertheless, I have apologized and I will no longer post here.

God bless you,
Recluse

Dear Father,

Can you please clarify?

Some have read this as an accusation that the Antiochians are guilty of such things at their conferences. I know you did not mean such a thing, yet your post is unclear and allows such an interpretation.

Admin

Thank you for your post. Yes, you have greatly overreached with your accusation linking the two. From what I have seen in life such overreaching always backfires and always destroys the credibility of any solid argument one might have started with.

It is your choice to participate here. If you choose to move on to other forums I pray that the Lord will bless you with His abundance at all times.

Thank you -- I was being ironic. The Antiochians are not participating in the evils associated with hotels by being there. They are just meeting there. So too, the Sisters of St Basil cannot be accused of being in favor of things just because they are "using" a retreat center.

Have I made this clear?

I find this link a little, to say the least, far reaching and insultive towards the nuns. Remember, as Christians, we are called to be "IN" the world but not "OF" the world. Maybe by doing their retreat at this facility one of the new-agers might be swayed to check out the Catholic faith. Where is the best place for the faith to be? Right in the heart of sinners! Surely since Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors, the least of us should not be to "Pharasaic".

I, too, roll my eyes at the New Age stuff. just because the Sisters have their gathering at a place where such goes on should not be construed that they approve, let alone participate, in such things. let's use a little common sense here. no matter where you go, you are going to encounter goings on that are contrary to the teachings and the spirit of the Gospel (and yes, it was former Jews, and one Gentile, Luke, who wrote the Gospels, the "nyaah nyaah" of Orthodox and Catholics is pointless, GROW UP!!!!!!!!). give the Sisters a break, you sure would like that for yourselves. who knows, perhaps it is for such a time like this (thank you, Book of Esther) that the Sisters gather where they do. with God's help, they may be a witness for Christ. I only hope that they take advantge of the opportunity to be so.
Much Love,
Jonn