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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Rather than writing epistle after epistle demanding that the bishop rescind his previous statements, perhaps you would consider a few points:

1) He has spent nearly a decade working upon this. He is unlikely to revoke due to several epistles.

2) He truly believes that this is in the best interest of the Church. This holds the same result.

I propose, therefore, a compromise. Why not ask the bishop to revoke the mandate, and the exclusive nature of his proclaimation. Allow both versions of the rite to be celebrated, side-by-side. If the new rite is truly the better, then certainly it would overtake the old one; this is a measure of merit. Then, perhaps, after a few years of rumination, he might be inclined to revoke the decision entirely.

Just a humble thought of an insignificant man.

-Uspenije

Nobody told the powers that be to spend a tenth of a century and countless dollars to fix something that isn't broken. They did this themselves.

Just modify what is there. Make the '65 Liturgicon mandatory and everyone SHOULD be happy. Didn't Vatican II and JPII suggest this?

Etnick... Your Pravoslavny Christian...

I don't have a firm opinion as to which version of the Divine Liturgy I personallly prefer. I am still new to the BCC. I have not studied the issue enough-I just don't think I'm well enough informed to advocate one way or the other. However, I do agree with what the Administrator has said in the past: "It's never to late to do the right thing." So, if it is indeed the case that this revision is the wrong thing for the Church, the fact that ten years of work went into it is not a good enough reason to justify its use.

Ryan

I do have a firm opinion. I prefer the Ruthenian Recension, all of it. Without abbreviations, alterations, invented rubrics, or inclusive language.

I am not sure I like the idea of two books co-existing side by side. One corrupted revised one, and one unrevised, whole and traditional. I think that would not be good. But it would be better than the present situation, where in June, the traditional Liturgy will be forbidden. That is tearing me up.

My pastor won't even talk about the new Liturgy, and when we ask him what he is going to do, he just turns and walks away. I hope he has the strength to leave us in peace, with the Liturgy we love.

Pray for him.

Nick

I realise the compromise is not ideal; I too would prefer rescinding the revisions. I merely point out that attempting a compromise is likely to have a more fruitful result for the short term, and is thus more likely to succeed in the long term.

I offer my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have the strength to fight for the full implementation of the Ruthenian Recension (i.e., without the use of inclusive language) within the Byzantine Church, but I have decided -- for the sake of my own spiritual well being -- to simply avoid attending Church services at the local Ruthenian parish. I now happily attend divine liturgy at a Melkite Church once a month, and an OCA parish the rest of the time.

The Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Chrysostom and Basil the Great have conflicting purposes with the RDL promulgated by the Ruthenian Bishops. The Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Chrysostom and Basil the Great have the purpose of Theosis, union with God. The Church Service promulgated by the Ruthenian Bishops is a mockery of the Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Chrysostom and Basil the Great and has union with the world as its purpose. The Rusyn Recension and the RDL are mutually exclusive.

"If the new rite is truly the better, then certainly it would overtake the old one; this is a measure of merit. Then, perhaps, after a few years of rumination, he might be inclined to revoke the decision entirely."

Not so. The Roman Catholic Tridentine Mass is Holy and truly better than the Novus Ordo Missae. Yet, the Novus Ordo rapidly overtook the Tridentine Mass even though the Tridentine Mass was never "Officially" banned.

This thread has gone from a new approach to something from a respectful disagreement with the hierarchy and the possibility of addressing the concern to outright disrespect of the hierarchs. This is not the place the for that kind of post. Though you may disagree with the promulgation, insults and disrespect will serve no purpose in the possibility of reversing anything, but may the issue rather concrete.

This thread is thereby being closed. I remind posters that they should seriously think in how they post concerning this. Blatant disrespect serves no cause, and only diminishes the purpose of your intent.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Administrator