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#226647 03/13/07 09:36 AM
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The post-synodal apostolic exhortation on the Eucharist can be read from Zenit: Sacramentum Caritatis [zenit.org]

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It's a nice meditation, but really nothing we didn't already know. Nothing very concrete, but then it is only a post-synodal exhortation, so as others pointed out it wasn't expected to be earth-shattering.

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Apparently the English translation of the text has been screwed up (now, put on your surprise face). whistle

Good commentary regarding this exhortation can be found at Father Zuhlsdorf's Blog [wdtprs.com] and also at The Shrine of the Holy Whapping [holywhapping.blogspot.com] and The New Liturgical Movement [thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com].

Anyway, I for one find the document, like most people it seems, to be a beautiful little treatise on Eucharistic theology, but have no delusions that it will make any concrete impact in practical terms whatever. It will be forgotten soon. IMHO, the Pope blew a great opportunity to make some actual change, instead of regurgitating what's been endlessly stated (in stronger terms, mind you) in such documents as Dominicae Cenae and Redemptionis Sacramentum. Both priests and faithful of the Latin Church have been exhorted to use Latin in the liturgy since the time of Pope Blessed John XXIII, but we all know that hasn't had much impact.

The hope, it seems, rests on the young priests and religious of the Latin Church who cherish her traditions, even while (re)discovering them.

And, the document makes numerous mention to the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council and the Ecumenical Council of Trent, for all those Catholics who somehow were under the impression that the last fourteen councils weren't ecumenical (insert here obscure quotes of Paul VI)...

Anyway, hopefully the Motu Proprio that (one assumes) will be published in the coming weeks/months concerning the freedom of the Traditional Rites, makes some actual inroads in proscribing certain things in the Novus Ordo, though I wouldn't hold my breath since it would seem to contradict this document itself and is seemingly not this Pope's " pastoral style," if you will, to outlaw things willy-nilly, regardless of his stances as a cardinal. Doesn't sit well with me, but then again I'm not the Supreme Pontiff, and thank goodness for that!

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No comment...yet

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Yes, James, I read that transcript. Your Archbishop is truly pathetic. The only solace I find is that he is nearing 75 years of age.



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Originally Posted by Logos - Alexis
Yes, James, I read that transcript. Your Archbishop is truly pathetic. The only solace I find is that he is nearing 75 years of age.



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An uncalled for observation Alexis.

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John K,

That is the polite part of his observation. The other part has been edited out.

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Originally Posted by Logos - Alexis
[. . .]

And, the document makes numerous mention to the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council and the Ecumenical Council of Trent, for all those Catholics who somehow were under the impression that the last fourteen councils weren't ecumenical (insert here obscure quotes of Paul VI)...

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Interestingly, the Western council of Trent is only called "ecumenical" in the footnotes, while the Western council of the Vatican (II) is called "ecumenical" both in the body of the exhortation and in the footnotes. In fact, the latter particular synod of the West is called "ecumenical" so many times that it almost sounds like the Pope is trying to convince himself that it really was "ecumenical."

Nevertheless, as an Eastern Catholic I find the fourteen particular synods of the Latin Church to be irrelevant to my understanding of theosis (and Triadology, Christology, etc.).

God bless,
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I understand that the english translation of the document at the Vatican site is flawed, it would be prudent to wait for correction...

james

if the 1% comment has offended anyone please pm me, I am at the fork in the road...

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Where is the flaw? Is it in the word ecumenical?

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Todd said: Interestingly, the Western council of Trent is only called "ecumenical" in the footnotes, while the Western council of the Vatican (II) is called "ecumenical" both in the body of the exhortation and in the footnotes. In fact, the latter particular synod of the West is called "ecumenical" so many times that it almost sounds like the Pope is trying to convince himself that it really was "ecumenical."

Nevertheless, as an Eastern Catholic I find the fourteen particular synods of the Latin Church to be irrelevant to my understanding of theosis (and Triadology, Christology, etc.).

Well, obviously disagreeing with you that the Pope has to convince himself that an Ecumenical Council is just that, at least he has councils of which to convince himself are ecumenical. whistle

That, at least, is something. wink

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Of interest to Eastern Christians is paragraph 18 of the document which calls for a reconsideration of the order of the sacraments of initiation in the Roman Rite.

It is the practice in some places, and it is lawful, to delay Confirmation to age 16 while doing first penance and first communion at age 7.

This has always struck me as a bizarre practice. Someone who is ready for first communion from the Western perspective should certainly ready for confirmation/chrismation.


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