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I don't claim to speak for Corsair or for others that have gone to the Orthodox Church, (and I'm probably going to be accused of encouraging BCs to go to the Orthodox Church) but in Corsair's example, I'd be willing to wager that if the Byzantine Catholic Church was simply behaving as an 'Orthodox in Union with Rome' that the thought wouldn't have come up. Meaning once again, that the mindset in many that are going is that they are not leaving the Byzantine Church as much as the Byzantine Church is leaving them. I'd almost guarantee that if a Greek Catholic church like St. Elias in Toronto was local to many of those who have left or are leaving, they wouldn't have any reason to go elsewhere.
I'd be curious to hear from those who have left or who are leaving to see if my hypothesis is correct or not.
Monomakh Indeed perhaps if there were more St. Elias'(not of course ever putting this parish down, but it was brought up as the perfect place, ask yourself why you think it is the ideal place) around people who based a parish's "strength" by a seemingly "abuse-free" liturgy may be satisfied, or those who were seeking a more pure form of Greek Catholicism may be satisfied for a while, but for some no "perfect" place is acceptable if one can not accept the teachings of that particular church or fully express his faith in the constraints that are sometimes unclear. For it is better to be able to fully worship, live, breathe and grow spiritually for some who know who they are, know what they are to believe to be "in the church" and can teach their children the clear and precise doctorines of the church. For some, it isn't how big the icon screen is, or if the parish is being true to the 19th century style of worship, of if the parking lot is paved, or if Father can sing good, or if they have ethnic dancing. For some it is all about faith and being able to practice it without several layers of constraint and doubt. One must always accept what his church teaches, if he doesn't he places himself outside his church.
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It is time for me to continue my journey.
The wise administrator here feels that I have succeeded in convincing those who disagree with me--that I am mad(insane). So it is time for me to leave this forum.
Dear administrator, please voluntarily resign my participation on this forum.
Anger and rancor are terrible passions to fight on a daily basis and I am taking them head on through much prayer and contemplation.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church will always be in my prayers.
Peace and blessings to everyone here. You are a wise and loving community of Catholic Christians and you have taught me much.
Christos posred'i nas!
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It is time for me to continue my journey.
The wise administrator here feels that I have succeeded in convincing those who disagree with me--that I am mad(insane). So it is time for me to leave this forum.
Dear administrator, please voluntarily resign my participation on this forum.
Anger and rancor are terrible passions to fight on a daily basis and I am taking them head on through much prayer and contemplation.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church will always be in my prayers.
Peace and blessings to everyone here. You are a wise and loving community of Catholic Christians and you have taught me much.
Christos posred'i nas! Frustration and interior discord will not carry you far. Stay here and combat it where you have help. Father sensed your rising agitation and tried to block it. Maybe that was a good decision, perhaps not. But it was a well intentioned one. You will never learn the value of obedience by running. Mary
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I'm completely flummoxed...must have been a private correspondence.
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You will never learn the value of obedience by running. It is time to pray (I don't run--I get out of breath too easily). Obedience would be an interesting discussion in light of the circumstances within our Church. Your words have been especially helpful to me Mary. You will always be in my prayers.
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You will never learn the value of obedience by running. It is time to pray (I don't run--I get out of breath too easily). Obedience would be an interesting discussion in light of the circumstances within our Church. Your words have been especially helpful to me Mary. You will always be in my prayers.  Me too! Across the board. Mary
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I'm completely flummoxed...must have been a private correspondence. Didn't know how else to reach him. Nothing to hide in this anyway. Mary
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I'm completely flummoxed...must have been a private correspondence. Didn't know how else to reach him. Nothing to hide in this anyway. Mary No, sorry Mary. I meant his comment about the administrator. I went through the posts and saw nothing that referred to him as "insane". That comment must have been part of a private correspondence.
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The wise administrator here feels that I have succeeded in convincing those who disagree with me--that I am mad(insane). Recluse you are not insane! You have attempted to educate people on inclusive language. The subject has much depth, but some feel it is repetitive. I THANK YOU for desiring to help and educate those who may not understand. GOD be with you Recluse!
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No, sorry Mary. I meant his comment about the administrator. I went through the posts and saw nothing that referred to him as "insane". That comnment must have been part of a private correspondence. From another thread where tensions were rising. Father Anthony was cautious and cut the thread short, thereby gagging the tensions that are wanting to get loose. I don't too often meddle in the affairs of those who wish to move from one confession to another. Once in a while though the circumstances cry out for some kind of mediation. For some reason, I am meddling now  My apologies to all. Mary
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Found it. BTW, just to clarify: it was not Father Anthony who closed the thread.
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Found it. BTW, just to clarify: it was not Father Anthony who closed the thread. No, you didn't find the post with the reference to insanity. Go to -- WOMEN AND MEN, CREATED EQUAL....last post
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Found it. BTW, just to clarify: it was not Father Anthony who closed the thread. No, you didn't find the post with the reference to insanity. Go to -- WOMEN AND MEN, CREATED EQUAL....last post Ummm...that's the one I found.
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Sorry! I assumed you meant you found the post where the tensions were raising.....It wasn't clear to me....Glad you found it!
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No worries...thanks for the help!
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