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Guess what...it's the East now Catholic World News : Orthodox theologians decry "anti-Semitism" in Orthodox liturgy Catholic World News : Orthodox theologians decry anti-Semitism in liturgy May. 2, 2007 (CWNews.com) - A group of Orthodox theologians has called for the revision of liturgical texts, to remove what they see as anti-Semitic language, a Russian news agency reports. Credo, a Christian news agency operating on the internet, reports that 12 Orthodox theologians issued a statement favoring liturgical changes during an April visit to Israel. The group found anti-Semitic passages particularly in the liturgical texts of the Orthodox Easter season. The statement was endorsed by theologians of the Russian, Greek, Ukrainian, and Georgian Orthodox traditions. http://www.portal-credo.ru/ Russian link james
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Important news item but some examples of what the theologians have in mind would be helpful.
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There are a number of texts which seem to blame all Jews for the crucifixion when they should be more clear and blame only those specific Jews who were actually responsible. Clarity is important and it would be appropriate for the entire Church to work together to review these liturgical texts.
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Dear James,
It was the Jews that crucified Christ. In that sense the text is correct. What is not stated though, is that everytime we refuse to stand up to an injustice, or we are willing to lie and slander about another in order to go along with something or someone, we too are crucifying Christ. Our actions, or rather weaknesses in that respect, reveal our capacity to do so.
Of course whatever will arouse others towards anti-semitism should be removed from the texts.
God Bless,
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Zenovia,
I seem to recall it was the Romans who actually crucified Christ, albeit at the behest of a certain group of Jews.
Certainly not ALL Jews were involved; the Apostles, for example, shouldn't be included, nor the Theotokos, nor any of the women who followed Jesus, nor those Jews who secretly followed Jesus, like Joseph of Arimathea.
I have to agree with the Administrator on this one.
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I have no problem with clarification of texts, nor do I blame all those of the Jewish faith.
Being half Italian, maybe I had a very distant relative involved.
Maybe it's a lack of common sense to many...I have not read the liturgical references (Eastern) yet...I'm familiar with the Latin pre Vat.II texts and the current ones for Lent/Pascha/Easter.
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Dear Friends,
In fact, Eastern liturgical texts have nasty habit of name-calling all around!
Roman Catholics are "heretics." If you think "uniate" is a bad name for EC's, how about "New Hagarenes" who are portrayed as being worse than the Turkish Muslims in terms of the damage they do to the (Orthodox) Church? (Pochaiv Services).
The Oriental Orthodox Saint Severus of Antioch is called "headless Severus" and others like Peter Mongus and Dioscorus of Alexandria, Philoxenus of Mabbugh etc. have their sanity in permanent question . . .
In fact, when it comes to "liturgical name-calling" the Jews get off rather easily, it would seem . . .
And, FYI, today is the feast day of St Gabriel of Belastok in Belarus - who was said to have been ritually martyred by Jews . . .
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Has anybody be able to identify the theologians yet ? I can't read Russian and I'm certainly not a English major...
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Why should the Orthodox, consider Roman Catholics to be anything other than heretics and schismatics. They do claim to be the true church of Christ after all. I really don't find their labelling me a heretic or schismatic offensive at all. My Orthodox friends will readily label the Eastern Catholic Chruch as "schismatic" and I say the same about their church. We get along fine. Why should speaking what we feel to be the truth be something that is to be avoided. How is speaking the truth and standing up for the values of one's faith namecalling? Should we just pretend that there are no differences at all between the churches just to be buddies?
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And how is this relative to the topic...
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Let's see some of the reasons?
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