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"The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? #233712 05/08/07 04:31 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 802 Likes: 2 Rio de Janeiro/ RJ - Brazil Philippe Gebara Member
Philippe Gebara Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 802 Likes: 2 Rio de Janeiro/ RJ - Brazil	This phrase is said when the priest put water on the chalice. But what does it mean?

Re: "The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? Philippe Gebara #233739 05/08/07 08:04 PM
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Philippe Gebara Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 802 Likes: 2 Rio de Janeiro/ RJ - Brazil	Ah, by the way, what does signify "in all" from "We offer You your own, from what is your own, in all, and for the sake of all"?

Re: "The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? Philippe Gebara #234671 05/14/07 04:08 PM
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Matta Member M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 439 Australia	The Arabic text and the original Greek makes the English clearer: "we offer ... from all things and on behalf of all things". The Greek is: "kata panta kai dia panta". This is the text of the "third" offering. It is no longer bread and wine that the priest offers to God but the body and blood of Christ. (Cf. Couturier, vol. III, p. 157.) We are offering the risen Lord on behalf of all creation.

Re: "The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? Matta #234673 05/14/07 04:18 PM
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Orthodox Catholic Member Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 26,405 Likes: 38 Canada	In my Church, this is given as "The fullness of the Warmth of the Holy Spirit" "Povnota Teploty Sv. Ducha." I believe this refers to the Water that flowed from the Side of Christ signifying the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Alex

Re: "The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? Orthodox Catholic #234734 05/15/07 06:20 AM
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Torsten Rdr. Innocent Member Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 47 Houston	Quote In my Church, this is given as "The fullness of the Warmth of the Holy Spirit" "Povnota Teploty Sv. Ducha." That is actually recited while the deacon is pouring the zeon/teplota (the hot water) into the chalice. Not during the offering. Last edited by Torsten; 05/15/07 06:21 AM.

Re: "The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? Torsten #235119 05/16/07 11:11 PM
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Philippe Gebara Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 802 Likes: 2 Rio de Janeiro/ RJ - Brazil	Originally Posted by Torsten Quote In my Church, this is given as "The fullness of the Warmth of the Holy Spirit" "Povnota Teploty Sv. Ducha." That is actually recited while the deacon is pouring the zeon/teplota (the hot water) into the chalice. Not during the offering. That's right. Last edited by Philippe Gebara; 05/16/07 11:11 PM.

Re: "The fullness of the Faith of the Holy Spirit" - ??? Philippe Gebara #236336 05/24/07 12:27 AM
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Philippe Gebara Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 802 Likes: 2 Rio de Janeiro/ RJ - Brazil	In this site http://home.att.net/~sergei592/Liturgy.html is written differently: "The fulness of the Cup of the Faith, of the Holy Spirit". At the end, what does it means!?

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