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I hope this is an appropriate topic for this forum. See the following story, and see if you agree.

Congressmen lecture the Catholic Church [catholicworldnews.com]

I sent the following email to one of the congressmen (the only one from my state). You may wish to register your opinion with the appropriate parties.

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Congressman:

As the only name from New Jersey on a list of congressmen presuming to tell the Catholic Church what its doctrine is, and, in doing so, to breach the Constitution's First Amendment guarantee of freedom of religion, I wish to register my outrage and indignation at your attitude.
Shame on you!

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I think this is to be expected. The Pope has taken his stand and now the Church's opponents are taking theirs.

The Church is not above politics since the Gospel raps the knuckles of many quite hard.

The Church must witness to the truth, quietly and uncompromisingly.

The above reaction just shows the Church and the Pope are doing their job.

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Dear Michael,

From the names, I gather that most, or everyone on that list is Roman Catholic. I have to laugh with the assumption made by the congressmen that our government and what it stands for, is above and beyond the Church.

Regardless, it appears to me that these congressmen want to have their cake and eat it...or rather have their constiguents and the Eucharist too. The problem is that they are not worthy of the Eucharist, and somehow or other, want the Church to tell them they are. For shame!!! Not for their stance, for that is within everyone's right, (and after all we are all sinners), but for their lack of willingness to accept it as a sin, and even worse, for placing our secular government above moral authority.

God Bless,

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Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic
I think this is to be expected. The Pope has taken his stand and now the Church's opponents are taking theirs.

The Church is not above politics since the Gospel raps the knuckles of many quite hard.

The Church must witness to the truth, quietly and uncompromisingly.

The above reaction just shows the Church and the Pope are doing their job.

Alex

There is no question that the Church's teaching has been enunciated very clearly and well, not only by the Popes, but even as recently as last fall by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.

I just think that lay people need to push back at this kind of politician, and not be so quiet.

This particular "message" is so poor that they couldn't even muster, apparently, the 50 or so signatures that they did some time ago! Keep 'em on the run.


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Originally Posted by Zenovia
Dear Michael,

From the names, I gather that most, or everyone on that list is Roman Catholic. I have to laugh with the assumption made by the congressmen that our government and what it stands for, is above and beyond the Church.

Regardless, it appears to me that these congressmen want to have their cake and eat it...or rather have their constiguents and the Eucharist too. The problem is that they are not worthy of the Eucharist, and somehow or other, want the Church to tell them they are. For shame!!! Not for their stance, for that is within everyone's right, (and after all we are all sinners), but for their lack of willingness to accept it as a sin, and even worse, for placing our secular government above moral authority.

God Bless,

Zenovia

Amen.

But the idea that somehow our religion is an "imposition" on our political freedom needs to be rebutted publicly.

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The Holy Roman Catholic Church will be here centuries after the downfall of this decadent Nation!
Viva El Papa.
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VIVA!

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The following article is a "spot-on" response from the President of the Canadian Conference of Bishops to the Canadian Premier's statement which was similar to that of the American Congressmen:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07051701.html

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I wrote Congressman Ryan and told him "Shame on him" for thinking he can scold his Holy Pope and leader of his church. Shame on him for thinking his office is above the scolding of his church. Shame on him for forgetting his catholic upbringing and all the years of his catholic education gave him. (I went to school with him so I know)


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Let's hope the fraternal corrections have some positive impact on these people.
Lord, have mercy on us all.

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These congressmen are just about as Catholic as I am a Hindu.

They should be ignored.

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The Holy Roman Catholic Church will be here centuries after the downfall of this decadent Nation!
Viva El Papa.

And the downfall will come much faster that most of us think if we keep voting democratic.

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I think the article contains the salient point: "The group did not specify which Constitutional freedom would be violated by the exercise of internal Church discipline."

That is because there is no Constitutional freedom that has been violated!





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The USCCB issues a response (actually a rebuke) to the open letter of the 18 Catholic Democrats (out of 88 Catholic Democrats in the House; Catholic Republicans did not participate in this Democratic "initiative.")

From the USCCB website:

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WASHINGTON (May 18, 2007)—The 18 Democrats who recently criticized Pope Benedict XVI when he answered questions about Mexico’s legalizing abortion both misrepresented the Pope’s remarks and defied freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

The position was noted by Sister Mary Ann Walsh, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Director of Media Relations in a May 18 statement, which follows.

Response to 18 Democrats
Sister Mary Ann Walsh, RSM
Director of Media Relations
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

In an unfortunate May 10 statement, 18 of the 88 Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives criticized Pope Benedict XVI’s remarks concerning Mexican lawmakers legalizing abortion. The Representatives’ statement misrepresents the Holy Father’s remarks and implies that the Church does not have a right to voice its teaching in the public square.

The Holy See has made clear that neither the Mexican bishops nor the Holy Father have excommunicated any legislator. Rather, the Holy See reiterated longstanding Church teaching that anyone who freely and knowingly commits a serious wrong, that is, a mortal sin, should not approach the Eucharist until going to confession.

“The Catholic Church proclaims that human life is sacred and that the dignity of the human person is the foundation of a moral vision of society.” (United States Catechism for Adults, p. 442) Consequently, every Catholic is obliged to respect human life, from conception until natural death.

To suggest that the Church should not clearly voice its teaching and apply it in a pluralistic society is to attack freedom of speech and freedom of religion. The Catholic Church always will and must speak out against the destruction of innocent unborn children. The right to do so is guaranteed by the Constitution that all legislators are elected to uphold. Speaking and acting against abortion is not a matter of partisan politics. It is a matter of life and death.

The bishops urge all Catholics, especially those who hold positions of public responsibility, to educate themselves about the teaching of the Church, and to seek pastoral advice so that they can make informed decisions with consistency and integrity.

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Never in a million years would I ever want to be a Bishop. But if I were, this would be time for the anathemas and the excommunications. I don't think that the folks on this board need to be instructed that excommunications are intended to be medicinal; i.e. a wake-up call to those who have publicly strayed in a serious way, for the salvation of their souls, and also to protect the flock against scandal. A little "tough love" is in order, here.

In Christ and in Defense of the Innocent Unborn,
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