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Originally Posted by CRW
Here we have a dilemma. We are asking Rome to intervene in our sui juris church to preserve the integrity of our Byzantine Rite. Suppose he acts, then the Pope of Rome is interferring in liturgical matters in an Eastern church. We can't have that because what the Pope preserves by fiat he can destroy by fiat. On the other hand, we have the hierarchs of a "Byzantine" church taking liberties with the liturgy.
I have been thinking about this post since yesterday.

I think that all of Orthodoxy would stand up and applaud the fact that Rome is acting to protect the Orthodox Liturgy. Change to what we hold common with Orthodoxy should occur both organically and with the entire Church (Catholic and Orthodox Byzantines).

On a practical matter Pope Benedict XVI could seek the counsel of the Orthodox Patriarchs on this revision. We know how they would respond. But let us pray that our hierarchs will come unto themselves and rescind this Revision and embrace the official 1942 Ruthenian Liturgy instead.

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In light of the administrator's comment, could it be appropriate to address the same letter both to His Holiness Benedict XVI and His Holiness Bartholomew? Could this be done together with our Orthodox brethern? From "us!"

Does someone with computer experience know how such a letter could be circulated electronically for signature?

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Is it possible that some of the heat could be taken out of this discussion if those who participated in the development of the new books could share with the rest of us their rationale (both for translation and 'editing') and their approach (insofar as they consulted with/drew upon the efforts of other Byzantines, Catholic and Orthodox). Has anyone done a comparison, for example, with the UGC 'Anthology' and/or the Carpatho-Russian books? Perhaps, too, one ought to look at the evolution in liturgical practice among Byzantine Catholics throughout the Metropolia over the past half century or more to understand how things got to where they are today.

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Does anyone know if any official statement has been released by the Vatican concerning the opposition of the Ruthenian Metropolia's RDL? Has anyone who has written such oppostion letters receivced a response back?

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I hope the pope orders our bishops to copy the Orthodox instead of copying the Roman Catholics with this new liturgy.

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Originally Posted by Desert Byzantine
I hope the pope orders our bishops to copy the Orthodox instead of copying the Roman Catholics with this new liturgy.
A directive along those lines came long ago, but as with many things from Rome it has been ignored. One could look at this as the hierarchs showing that shepherd a truly sui iuris Church. I guess one can now await canonisation of saints and election & appointment of bishops without the involvement of the Holy See. If you believe this please keep a watchful eye out for pigs next time you're on an airplane.

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Canonisation of Saints without the obligatory involvement of the Holy See is a serious possibility - the problem is that certain people in the Eastern Catholic Churches covet the "prestige" that comes from having the Pope do it.

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Originally Posted by Ung-Certez
Does anyone know if any official statement has been released by the Vatican concerning the opposition of the Ruthenian Metropolia's RDL? Has anyone who has written such oppostion letters receivced a response back?

Am I missing something here?
I don't understand why there would be an official response at all. Hasn't Rome already approved the RDL for use?
Sorry folks, cry as we may, I believe this is a done deal.

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Many have written letters of protest. Remember, there are areas of the Metropolia that haven't even bought the new books. Surely someone has received some form of feed back by the Vatican, even if it's "thanks for your concern, but there's nothing we (Rome) can do for you."

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Originally Posted by Ung-Certez
Many have written letters of protest. Remember, there are areas of the Metropolia that haven't even bought the new books. Surely someone has received some form of feed back by the Vatican, even if it's "thanks for your concern, but there's nothing we (Rome) can do for you."

U-C,

I agree there are protesters among us.

I am just saying that Rome has already spoken. They've reviewed the RDL and approved the RDL. I can't see Rome changing a decision based on our protests. IMHO it isn't the way they operate.

I would think if Rome believed there were errors they would have found them during the review process. Whether or not we've all purchased the books is irrelevant.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Well that's part of the protest, the debate if such texts, which differs from the other Constantinopolitan Particular Churches (both Orthodox and other Greek Catholic jurisidictions)are an error. "You say toma-to, I say..."

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Forgive my thick hunky head.
It appears to me in examining the RDL Rome would have found all errors and requested correction before a final approval. It has been written that during the review process Rome did ask for revisions and once made the RDL was approved.

The debating of such texts and protest letters would imply Rome is in error/missed something in the review process/approved a Liturgy that is in error. While we here in the US are used to speaking our minds in protest utilizing the democratic process to effect change, in my many years of being Catholic I've never known Rome to be a democracy.

I'd be interested in hearing of any replies as well but I must say I'm not holding my breath.

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The initial approval was suppose to be from 2001. When there were other changes, were they just rubber stamped w/o another review of the final draft? It's not like a representative from the Congregation for the Eastern Churches came in person to the Metropolia's Chancery to approve the last draft before going to print (like a Rebbi inspector at a Kosher meat processing plant).
The Ruthenian Metropolia's laity has every right to question the RDL and the process in which it was promulgated and to send letters of protest to the Vatican.

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As one might say, WRITE ON!

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Originally Posted by Ung-Certez
The initial approval was suppose to be from 2001. When there were other changes, were they just rubber stamped w/o another review of the final draft? It's not like a representative from the Congregation for the Eastern Churches came in person to the Metropolia's Chancery to approve the last draft before going to print (like a Rebbi inspector at a Kosher meat processing plant).
The Ruthenian Metropolia's laity has every right to question the RDL and the process in which it was promulgated and to send letters of protest to the Vatican.

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I have a letter from Father David from the files here where I asked that question. Father David has said, for the record, that no text has been changed since the approval in 2001.

We have no right to press that issue until there would be hard evidence to the contrary. That is part of the problem with protestors who shoot from the hip. They most often miss the mark.

What is much more solid ground is the fact that there are multiple and substantial arguments against portions of the texts of the RDL, and also against the entire project.

The Vatican is no more perfect than Pittsburgh in that the Vatican is also run by men who are imperfect. It might come as s shock to some but not all those priests, bishops and cardinals think alike over there, so what might come glaring to you or me, won't phase others at all.

Does that mean we are wrong because we are only parish priests and laity? I don't think so. It simply means that we care at a very immediate level about a liturgy that, at the moment, offers some very ugly and weak theology, for starters.

Do you suppose that anyone in the Vatican would raise and eyebrow at the use of "...holy Anaphora" in the text? No. Most would not.

Do you think they might raise an eyebrow at the clear catechesis that we've been offered. I think some would. I am certain that Pope Benedict would raise an eyebrow. He might even be inspired to write a correction. And that is not the only place that the weak theology displays itself.

The only way to bring these things to light and to focus attention on them is to write letters. Document the concerns.

And then wait. Not necessarily silently. But wait nonetheless.

The same kind of hesitancy that is displayed in this thread exists from our bishops down to the most silent layman or woman.

In all of history the greatest spiritual battle that mandkind faces is his own inertia. Add to that a tablespoon of fear of those who exercise power over us and it is a wonder God's presence in our lives has any effect at all.

Blessings....Mary

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