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No, L'ECOF is actually no longer in communion with any Orthodox Church. Its attempts to "recover" the Gallican practice before the Schism was widely disputed.

The Western Rite has its largest presence in North America under the Antiochian Archdiocese. (Here is its official website [antiochian.org]. Here [westernorthodox.com] is an unofficial information site.) ROCOR also has two monasteries that employ the Western Rite: one a Benedictine monastery in Rhode Island (soon to relocate to Canada) and one in Tasmania following British practices.

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The Romanian Orthodox Church in France does have a deanery, or the equivalent, for the former members of the Eglise Orthodoxe Catholique de France who remained with the Romanians, and they are allowed to use the Gallican Liturgy - about half-a-dozen times a year, which seems remarkably ungenerous, but that's how it is.

Fr. Serge

To answer Indigo's question, yes, there is certainly more than the former L'ECOF, which now has no full-time Western Rite presence anywhere.

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What's their view of transubstantiation - do they consider it heresy or do they emphasize 'consubstantiation'?

Dear Michael,

The Lutherans actually allow for both views and see them as similar.

They see the distinction between "accidents" of bread and wine that remain after the Consecration and the actual bread and wine as disingenuous and tending toward "Greek philosophy" that Luther and other reformers hated (that "pagan rascal Aristotle" etc.).

However, the High Church Lutherans I know adhere to Transubstantiation - period. In fact, in conversations with them when I deliberately question them to determine how closely they adhere or do not adhere to Catholic teaching - I've yet to discover any "Protestantism" in them!

Alex

Except for the fact that you say that they "allow for both views and see them as similar."

As a Catholic, I don't see them as similar and I allow only for one view that is accurate and true to the Word.

Mary

Dearest Mary,

I too don't see them as similar, but I understand how the Lutherans COULD see them as similar since they dislike the Greek philosophical term "accident."

If it looks like bread and wine, it must be bread and wine, they say.

The Lutherans aren't as educated as you and I!

Alex

I won't presume to speak for you, dahlinks.

But it is not a matter of any kind of eddycation on my part.

I simply have a different faith from many of my fellow Christians.

M.

Ah, but you see, if you were thoroughly educated you would abandon the false teaching of [insert name of denomination] and hasten to cleave unto our Really Truly Utterly Indisputably Genuinely and Authentically Correct [insert name of other denomination].

Sadly, some people actually say such things without intending to be humorous!

Fr. Serge

Bless, Father Archimandrite,

You are referring to ROCOR are you?

Alex

The Blessing of the Lord!

Actually, I wasn't - I had another group in mind! And no one in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia has ever spoken to me in such a way.

Fr. Serge

Bless, Father Archimandrite,

Well, I could give you the address of an interesting ROCOR parish you could visit some time for quite the experience!

Alex

With all due respect to the back-and-forth on Lutheran views of the Eucharist, Zion Lutheran in Detroit is a part of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, and LCMS Lutherans explicitly reject [lcms.org] the idea of Transubstantiation [lcms.org], as did Luther [bookofconcord.org]. Quoting Brother Martin, the LCMS teaches that Christ is truly present "in, with, and under" [ctsfw.edu] the elements of bread and wine. As the LCMS prides itself on being a "confessional" church (though less so than WELS), in order to be a faithful Missouri Synod Lutheran, once must believe "it is in perfect agreement with Holy Scriptures that [in communion] there is, and remains, bread."

Of course, Luther took the Western view that the Sacrament was confected through the Words of Institution to its logical extension: many Lutheran liturgies [kirken.no] to this day have no epiclesis nor any additional consecreatry prayers whatever. This is in keeping with Luther's "German Mass and Order of Divine Service." [cat.xula.edu] And he took the prevalent view on this board that the Eucharist was intended only to be consumed, not adored, to such an extent that his followers believe the Real Presence ceases at the end of the people's communion! Hence, Martin Chemnitz wrote [ctsfw.edu], "God is not present in them inseparably...they are not sacraments apart from their use. When these sacraments have been completed, they either pass away...or are separated from the sacramental union." Truly, it looks like the worst of both worlds.

The "My Church is Obviously the Indisputably True Church" is found in both Orthodoxy and Catholicism. And Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Pentecostalism, Seventh Day Adventism, Church of Christ/Campbelliteism...The one thing they all agree on is that it's all self-evidently "clear."

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Hello, I am new to this forum but I am a memeber of a St. Columba Antiochian Orthodox Parish in Colorado. I am very glad to see discussion of the Western Rite on this forum. Perhaps Byzantine Catholics and us Western Rite Orthodox are the hope foor any reunion between our two ancient Churches. Anyway, I look forward to future discussion of the Western Rite-Adrien

A warm welcome to the Forum - doubly warm in fact, since your parish is that of Saint Columba, who is rather a favorite of mine!

Fr. Serge