www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall "If you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!"

Stalin or Satan, Bill Keler is rather foolish.

I think what I find more interesting is that our countries seem to think so differently when they have, in many ways, a similar genesis; particularly when you look to states founded by protestant, voluntary migrants such as my home state of South Australia. At any rate, we have a really diffrent take on things; our current PM looks to be getting kicked out next election for pursuing economic policies which would be moderate by Republican standards,which do not go down well with the average Australian; and although there has been a bleed to the right amongst young catholic voters the majority are still welded to Labour, despite its policies on abortion and euthanasia; but maybe my perception is incorrect;

My perception from various conversations and fora is that most serious Catholics seem to be going Republican; have I missed something, or am I incorrect?

Ned

Yes, Ned. Usually most pro-Life Catholics and Orthodox do vote Republican. But not all, I believe that there is a good mix of pro-Life Democrats and Republicans on this Forum.

Then there are those of us who are Monarchists!

I heard those exist, where can I actually see one!?

Dear Ned,

We have a great deal of prosperity in this country. I believe the unemployment is about 5% or less. All this is due to the economic policies started by Ronald Reagan. We had a slight recession at the end of the first Pres. Bush's term, but we began to pull out of it..but it was too late. The Democrats used the slogan "it's the economy stupid", making the people unaware that the recession had ended. Clinton ended up with getting the credit for a better economy, one he had nothing to do with. Of course towards to end of his term, he managed to get us into a slight recession, so on it goes.

This President Bush managed, even with 911 and the economic catastrophy, to keep us out of a recession. That was because he immediately lowered the taxes, which the Democrats say will be raised if they come into office. They keep talking about our deficit, yet when there is prosperity, the government receives more taxes, so the deficit isn't really that affected. Now the war and it's expenses is a different story.

Again it comes down to basic beliefs. If the economy is what a person concerns himself with, and the possiblity of everyone having a job, owning their own business or farms, then the Republicans are one's best bet. If on the other hand, one's concerns are for big business', corporate owned farms, etc., free hand outs instead of jobs, environmentalists, (like protecting snails rather than people), lawyers and their lawsuits, (making our insurance rates as well as their incomes go up astronomically), teachers lobbies where teachers will say what's to be taught rather than parents, etc., then the Democrats are one's best bet.

There are always those that will prefer a lower economy and income in preference to seeing someone else have more. That's a human fault, the same one that leads some nations to look at communism. We are all guilty of that. I for one envy great composers like Beethovan. Unfortunately I wasn't given that gift, so I have to thank God for giving it to others so that I may enjoy what they produce.

I guess in the same way, we have to thank those that are super rich for what they are contributing to our economy. Because of that we are able to have so much in this nation. I don't know the situation in Australia, but that is the situation here.

We also have to thank the workers from Mexico. If they didn't exist with their low wages, I don't think the housing market would have been as strong. Of course I don't know how long we will go on like this, but if the Democrats come in, it won't be long before we fall into a recession. If some catastrophy should occur, (what the terrorists are trying to bring about), and it should lead to a depression, and one never knows with our interdependant society, half the world will probably starve.

It's a terrible world system, but until something better comes along, we're stuck with it.

God Bless,

Zenovia

Former Ambassador Ray Flynn is one.

I sort of qualify, except for being a Monarchist.

While I'm not running for public office (and don't think I ever will), I'm both Pro-Life and a Democrat. There are more of us than you might think.

Ryan

I don't get why people think he is good looking. I think he looks like plastic....

Holly

Zenovia,

You are scaring me, but we think alike here. Except that I am the extremist and will vote for the Constitutionalists who probably are racist Crackers and hate Catholics but at least they are really prolife and Libertarian at the same time...

Holly

Thanks Dr. Eric; yes, I got the impression here that many Catholcis voted republican; I don't however get the impression that Latin rite Catholics have been served any better by their bishops, schools, catechesis etc than we have, so it must be manifest destiny I figure that the abortion thing holds such sway; the idea that individuals can "self make" themselves and the attraction of unexplored vistas, this drive for the future and self actualisation I see as a student of American history; on the other hand maybe I'm just looking at this difference with interest because I'm doing so much social research theory at school recently.

Ned

In the population, there is no segment unaffected by abortion. In America, for 2005 at least, (the last I looked at the statistic) about 20-25% of pregnancies end up in abortion.

That did not include miscarriages. I can pull up the sources for that if anybody is interested.

Dear Holly,

He appears a little too staged, and a little too perfect in everything...even his family. I don't know if you have seen the movie, but he kind of reminds me of the Stepford wives. It's frightening. The Perfect President!

Another thing that's frightening is that his financial backing comes from the Mormons, (who, as we know are very wealthy), and that in ethics and values, he appears more Christian than the Christians. Now isn't the anti-Christ going to fool the world? Hee, hee, hee! Just joking! I know he's not him! Hmmm! But then one never knows???

Better to vote for one of the lapsed, (and therefore tempted and attacked) Christians like Guiliani. At least we know he's real; wives, children, and all. Besides, he's tough enough to scare our enemies, both those within our country and those outside of it.

Also, he'll put in conservative judges without the pro-choice groups screaming.

God Bless,

Zenovia

I too will add my name to the list of Pro-life Democrats on our forum.

- Lance

another one on the Pro-Life Democrats list

He's pretty tough on the unborn, too. Do you honestly think Giuliani will appoint the fifth justice to overturn Roe v. Wade? Doubtful. At least vote for the candidate who promises the right things....



If you're referring to the Constitution Party [constitutionparty.com] headed by Howard Phillips (formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party), then, yes and no. Phillips was born Jewish and at last I knew considered himself a Baptist...but he had never been baptized. (Figure that one out.) He's married to a Roman (I think Latin Mass) Catholic, and his daughters were raised Catholic. (His sons are themselves established in the homeschool movement, but I think they're Protestants.) Many TLMs are in the CP. Dr. Thomas Droleskey [dailycatholic.org] spoke at the '96 (then-USTP) convention in San Diego. It's true, though, some of their supporters are dubious on racial matters...and not just the crackers. Black writer Emmanuel McLittle spoke at the '92 USTP convention; he opposes interracial marriage [wildernesschurch.com]. (Warning: ULTRA-racist website.) I wouldn't vote for the CP, but I agree with some of their platform.

Subdn. Borislav, there are pro-life Democrats, but they seem to undergo a bizarre transformation the moment they run for national office! As Groucho Marx once said, "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others."

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