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I heard "svitlo vid svitla...shcho cherez n'oho vse stalosya." Again definitely Ukrainian. But as I mentioned above, this is the older Ukrainian translation of Patriarch Josyp. As such, yes, it does retain the occasional "Slavonicism".

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Good ear, Diak. But then you have served parishes that use Ukrainian.

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Dear Father DIAKone,

Yes, and I understand there are certain Slavonic words that are simply kept on because no modern variant does the idea those words express comprehensive justice.

So "Suchej" or "Nasuchney" rather than "Schodennyj" for "daily."

It was Met. Andrei Sheptytsky who strongly protested the burning of Orthodox parishes in Volyn. The government simply withdrew insurance for the churches and then bands of hooligans would go out to set them on fire.

This kind of fanaticism against the Orthodox punctuates the history of western Ukraine.

Whenever the local foreign government "felt like it," they could go out and destroy Orthodox parishes at a whim - after all, they were "schismatic" bereft of grace and a "danger" to the Catholic faithful.

When Hetman Ivan Mazeppa (who is compared to Judas in the ROC liturgical commemoration of the Battle of Poltava (a commemoration that the Melkites actually included in one of their early English prayerbooks smile ) when Mazeppa studied at a Jesuit college, he had to endure a constant barrage of anti-Orthodox jokes and insults from the RC students - at one point, he even drew his sword in anger.

There is even a record of one Orthodox church, having been taken over by RC's, that was completely dismantled, stone by stone and taken to the nearby river to be physically "washed clean of schism" before being taken back to be reassembled . . .

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Tak pravda, pane Doktor. Also Blessed Vasyl Vsevelod Velychkovsky on multiple occasions stood up for the Orthodox congregations in the face of governmental pressure in the Polish areas. They loved him more than some of his own clergy (same with Bl. Metropolitan Andrey).

Back to the music, I would indeed like to get my hands on the choral settings for that version of Viruju...

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Alex,

Are you sure you're not Ukrainian Orthodox?


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it is in modern ukrainian language Viruyu w yedynoho Boha Otcya vsederzhydetlya Tvorcya neba i zemli





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it is in modern ukrainian language

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http://szlakikon.pl/ang.htm

The links that say "description of the track" have pictures showing former Orthodox or Greek Catholic churches that are either now Roman Catholic or put to some other use.

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Yes, it is Ukrainian with the Filioque.

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Originally Posted by Etnick
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What happened to these churches?

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Most are destroyed, or turned into Roman Catholic churches by the Polish government. mad

I actually thought the militant Muslims did this, not the Poles. why would the Poles do such a thing?
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Bojko - there are two commonly used versions of Ukrainian in the Divine Liturgy. One is an older version published in Rome by Patriarch Josyp in the early 1970s of which is used on this recording (and is still widely used in parishes). There is also a later Ukrainian version that was included in the 1988 Liturgikon published by the Synod. There are some minor differences between these two Ukrainian versions.

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Here is not place to talk about politics and political system
it was , were times of hate towards ukrainians and ukrainian ethnick groups /lemkos , boykos/ , it is passed
Now polish goverment must be involved in proces of renovation such old churches in ruins

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Dear Borislave,

No, I am not sure.

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Dear professor I received some information about Creed which are singing on short videofilm Cerkva w Oleszycach
Setting is of Adrian Ivakhiv and Creed is singing by church choir of St Nicolas from Toronto ,Canada

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Thank you for this information, Mr. Bojko, and God bless you for searching it out.

Prof. J. Michael Thompson
Byzantine Catholic Seminary
Pittsburgh, PA

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