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It's just a "pious tradition" about the BVM being kept in tact, correct? When I read that "he was one like us, in all things but sin," I take that to mean, all things. His birth, his development, his growth, and his death. I understood the perpetual virginity of the BVM to mean, that although she gave birth (without natural means of conception), she remained virginal in that fact she never had intercourse, before or after the birth of Jesus.
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It's just a "pious tradition" about the BVM being kept in tact, correct? When I read that "he was one like us, in all things but sin," I take that to mean, all things. His birth, his development, his growth, and his death. I understood the perpetual virginity of the BVM to mean, that although she gave birth (without natural means of conception), she remained virginal in that fact she never had intercourse, before or after the birth of Jesus. This is really the question. I've found Catholics who deny that it is even tradition or that it has no place in tradition. And I've found Orthodox who insist that it is dogmatic in Orthodoxy. Somewhere between one and the other is the truth, and I think we share it. The following is a paragraph from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that comes very close those Orthodox who claim that it is far more than a pious belief: 510 Mary "remained a virgin in conceiving her Son, a virgin in giving birth to him, a virgin in carrying him, a virgin in nursing him at her breast, always a virgin" (St. Augustine, Serm. 186, 1: PL 38, 999): with her whole being she is "the handmaid of the Lord" (Lk 1:38).
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Uhhh, I'm prtty sure like Elijahmaria said, that it's more than just a pious opinion among Catholics (and Orthodox).
Her hymen was left intact, miraculously.
And for those who get skittish around these issue, I'm almost 100% that there is a Catholic church somewher in Europe at which the (alleged) foreskin of Our Lord is venerated.
As posters said earlier, our human bodies are holy and made in God's image and there's nothing instrinsically wrong about discussing it, in a reverent manner.
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John, as much as I usually like your posts, I'm with Dr. Eric on this one. The body isn't bad, but some parts are private. I don't know why this matter is important in salvation or in our understanding of the Mother of God.
-- John I apologize for any misunderstandings I may have engendered. I was not calling Eric childish, but rather the whole discusiion was childish. perhaps when I mentioned my misgivings, I meant to say that it was childish and not something I expect from Dr. Eric or anyone else, no. no one is intrinisically childish, but I think sometimes we act and speak that way. I guess my old experience with some Catholics growing up as far as the not so delicate topic that was discussed, how more pagan (as in Gnostic) than Christian was their attitude. I guess that reading a lot of Jewish thought where all of creation is honored also showed through. believe me, there is quite a bit of earthiness in the OT if you debowdlerized the words used to translate the original Hebrew.oh, I am easily shocked and I blush easy, so please, let no one think that I am a dirty middle aged man. Much Love, Jonn
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Dear Alexis,
Only one church, I heard about five different churches all claiming to be the "real" one.
Not my preferred object of veneration.
Dear John,
I understand your point, but think of it this way - would it bother you if it were your own biological mother being discussed by a group of people? It would me. I am not saying we should ban such discussion, just that it feels inappropriate in my gut.
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I am recently comming out of Protestant land to re enter the Catholoic Church, was at Mass for the first time in over 25 years last Sunday, made my confession today for the first time in over 30 years. So to say I'm ignorant of Catholic doctrines would be a gross understatement! Do all Catholics believe Mary remained a miraculous virgin after the birth of Christ, when did this teaching originate, as well as imaculate conception, man, there is so much to learn, and unlearn!
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Dear Fragile,
Christ is Risen!
I found the following article edifying and hope it will provide some enlightenment for you.
Deacon El
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Is There a Byzantine Mariology? by Bro. John Samaha
Researching this question leads to a seeming paradox. On one hand we find a
tremendous richness of Marian thought in the liturgy, but on the other hand a
virtual absence of specifically Mariological studies in theology. The
Mariological experience and piety of the Byzantine Churches - Catholic and
Orthodox- seem to be embodied almost entirely in their worship. But we find no
prominent theological reflection on the subject, nothing that would parallel the
specialized Mariological treatises of the Western Church. Theology manuals
contain no chapters dealing with the place of Mary in the economy of salvation.
The veneration of Mary, which is so central in Byzantine worship has not been
extensively expressed, analyzed, or evaluated systematically.
This scarcity of theological reflection may seem to some a deficiency in
Byzantine theology. How could the Byzantine Church which never prays to God or
Jesus Christ without at the same time also addressing her prayers to Mary, and
which constantly praises her who "...is more honorable than the cherubim and
beyond compare more glorious than the seraphim" neglect theologizing about her?
Why has the Byzantine theological mind not been focused on this enormously
important aspect of its life and worship?
In the Byzantine mind this seeming absence of theological study and reflection
is seen as an integral part of the "mystery of Mary" in the experience of the
Church. The Byzantine scholar questions whether theology as the rational
investigation of the truths of faith is adequate to transpose into precise terms
the real content of that mystery. Perhaps the proper locus of Mariology is in
liturgy and prayer, that is in worship. This is reminiscent of Prosper of
Aquitaine's maxim, "Lex orandi, lex credendi."
In Eastern Christianity, worship and liturgy are paramount. Liturgy is not seen
as an action of the community. Liturgy is the procession or entrance into the
eschatological reality of the Kingdom of God. It is the meeting place between
this world and the Kingdom of God fully realized. Worship is not the
commemoration of a past event; it is participation in the events of salvation
themselves, because although these occurred historically they also occur outside
the category of time. While this Byzantine tradition differs from the
theological elaboration common in the West, it nonetheless "belongs to the full
Catholicity and the Apostolicity of the Church" (Vatican II, Decree on
Ecumenism, n. 17).
Some in the West have speculated that the Nestorian controversy, which was lived
in Byzantine territory, may have contributed to fuller liturgical celebration of
the Theotokos' in the East. This development gave the East a more satisfying and
habitual expression of devotion to Mary, and would support the notion that the
proper locus of Mariology is primarily in liturgy.
The West, which lacks such regular liturgical expression, sought other means of
elaborating Marian devotion, such as defining privileges and giving impetus to
various movements.
The exploration of three areas may enlighten our appreciation of the Byzantine
Marian heritage: the place of Mary in liturgical tradition, the development of
the veneration of the Mother of God, and a synthetic view of its theological
significance.
1- Byzantine Liturgy and Mariology
In the Byzantine liturgy we find four main expressions of Mariology: Marian
liturgical prayers, Marian feasts, Marian iconography, and Marian paraliturgical
piety.
a- Marian Liturgical Prayers
Each cycle of prayers concludes with a special prayer addressed to Mary. For
example, the groups of hymns called stichiras in the structure of the daily
services always conclude with the theotokion, which follows the doxology, "Glory
to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of
ages." This rule applies to all liturgical prayer units, daily, weekly, and
yearly cycles, and also the sanctoral cycle. Whatever the theme of any
liturgical celebration, the last word and seal will be the Theotokos, Mary the
Virgin Forthbringer of God.
b- Marian Feasts
The liturgical year includes a series of highly developed Marian commemorations.
Four belong to the category of the twelve major feasts: the Nativity of the
Virgin, September 8; the Presentation of the Theotokos into the Temple, November
21; the Annunciation, March 25; the Dormition, August 15. The feast of the
Purification, February 2, belongs to the same category and is also deeply Marian
in meaning. Among the lesser Marian feasts are the Protection of the Virgin,
October 1; the Synaxis of the Theotokos, December 26; the Conception of Mary,
December 9, and others.
c-Marian Iconography
The icons of the Theotokos are integral to the life of the Byzantine Church.
Their very position in the apse and on the iconostasis indicates definite
theological meaning.
An icon is not meant to be a visual representation to stimulate the imagi-
nation for devotional purposes. Neither is it meant to teach nor inspire. In the
spiritual sense, it is a living thing, the point at which heaven and earth meet.
St. John of Damascus called the icon a "channel of divine grace." Laden with
faith and grace, the icon is a mirror of divine revelation and gives testimony
to the reality that the saving truth is not communicated only by mere human
words but also through wordless beauty.
Also to be considered is the highly developed cult of the commonly termed
"miraculous" icons of the Theotokos, some of which have given rise to important
and extremely popular feasts.
d- Paraliturgical Piety
In addition to the official Marian prayers and celebrations of the liturgy, we
find an enormous amount of secondary or paraliturgical feasts and services. To
gather all the akathistoi to Mary, written after the pattern of the renowned
Akathistos attributed to Romanus, would result in several printed volumes. They
testify to the constant flow of heartfelt piety, love, and praise directed to
Mary.
Not all these compositions are of equal value and quality. However, the
outstanding Byzantine hymnographers like St. John of Damascus, St. Andrew of
Crete, St. Cosmas of Maioum, wrote some of their best works on Marian themes.
In the products of their pens we find the true expression, contemplation, and
understanding of Mary in Byzantine tradition. The Byzantine patrimony in this
area also includes the commentaries on these themes in the homilies composed for
Marian feasts by the Greek Fathers and Doctors.
2- Historical and Liturgical Perspectives
Because the Eastern Churches have no comprehensive historical record of the
veneration of Mary, our observations are limited. The first liturgical
expression of Marian veneration must have been the "concomitant" feasts, the
celebrations attached to the major feasts of Christ. Most likely the first
Marian feast in the Byzantine calendar was the Synaxis, December 26, which is
directly connected with the Nativity of Jesus Christ. Originally the name given
to the Sunday before Christmas was Annunciation. These facts point to the
Christological basis of the veneration of Mary. The Byzantine Church
contemplated Mary within the mystery of the Incarnation. This Christological
dimension is still evident today in the chief Byzantine icon, which portrays
Mary as the Mother with the Child, an icon of Incarnation.
Concerning the Biblical expression of Marian themes, the Byzantine Church
focuses special interest on applying to Mary the terminology of the Temple and
its cultic symbolism. The Temple and its sacred furnishings are under stood by
Byzantine hymnographers and preachers as announcing the various dimensions of
the mystery of Mary. She is called the Temple, the Door, the Candlestick, the
Censer, the Holy of Holies, and so forth. In this context the non Biblical
feasts, like the Nativity of the Virgin and the Presentation into the Temple,
are considered basically as the fruit of a particular reading and understanding
of the Old Testament.
Also to be considered is the origin of certain Marian feasts rooted in the
construction and dedication of churches in places where events of sacred history
were supposed to have occurred.
In tracing the history of Byzantine Marian piety we find that it is rooted not
in any special revelation, but primarily in the experience of liturgical
worship. Theological reflection on Mary did not give rise to her veneration.
This veneration sprang from the liturgy as the experience of "heaven on earth,"
as communion with heavenly realities, as an act of love and devotion, that
gradually revealed the unique place of Christ's Mother in both the economy of
salvation and the mystery of the "world to come." The Church preaches Christ,
not Mary. But communion with Christ reveals Mary as the secret joy within the
Church. States a Byzantine hymn, "In her rejoices the whole creation!"
In celebrating the liturgy, there is really no time gap. In the mystical area of
time beyond time, Jesus' redeeming act and one's being redeemed are going on
together now, this day, hour, minute. When one is praying with the Church, one
is not praying a memory of an event; one is living the dynamics of the event
with that special awareness that recognizes the presence of the Lord.
In seeking to understand the meaning of Eastern Christian liturgy, the Byzantine
in particular, it is important to note that it is not symbolic in the Western
sense. A liturgical action has no isolated intrinsic meaning. Neither can
theology be appealed to for a definition or rational explanation of a single
sign or action; because Eastern Christian theology describes rather than defines
the reality of salvation. The Eastern Church resists attempts to define meaning
piece meal by analyzing elements of liturgy. Eastern Christian worship must be
comprehended wholistically, and liturgical actions recognized as pointing beyond
themselves to a greater reality in which the Christian participates when
worshipping.
In the Eastern and Byzantine world the cultic, liturgical origin of Mariology
possesses special importance for the understanding of its true nature and
theological implications. Mary is not the object of a cult added to that of
Jesus Christ. Rather she is an essential dimension of the cult addressed to God
and Christ, a quality of that cult.
3- Biblical Theological Perspective
The Byzantine liturgy unfolds other Mariological themes that are Bibically
based. Christ is the New Adam and Mary is the New Eve. This is the primary and
soteriological dimension of her veneration by the Church. The Byzantine Church
concentrates in Mary the whole Biblical vision and experience of the
relationship between God and creation, the Savior and the world, as a mystery of
love whose closest expression in "this world" is the man-woman relationship. God
loves the world, God loves the chosen people, Christ loves the Church as the
husband loves his wife. More precisely, the mystery of human love reflects the
mystery of God's love for his creation. Mary stands for the femininity of
creation itself. Here femininity means responding love, obedience, self-giving,
the readiness to live exclusively in and for the other. The woman responds to
the initiative of man and follows him, and in this total self-giving she
fulfills herself. Eve failed to be woman because she took the initiative; she
distorted the order of creation and became the cause of sin. The chosen people
of God failed to be the handmaid of the Lord in love and obedience. But Mary, by
her total obedience, restores something absolutely essential in the order of
creation. She is not the representative of the woman or women before God. Mary
is the icon of the entire creation as response to Christ and to God. The
traditional icon of Mary "wider than heaven" expresses well this notion; it is
often found in the apse of Byzantine churches
4- Ecclesial Perspective
Another significant difference between Eastern and Western Christianity is the
understanding of Church. In the East the Church is not only an institution or
community, but sacrament in the sense of being the epiphany of the events of
salvation. In this context, liturgy is not the way in which the community
expresses its faith but is the participation of those who believe in the
timeless reality of salvific events.
The Church is institution and the Church is life. Since the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation ecclesiology has dwelt mainly on the institutional aspect of
the Church. These canonical and organizational aspects are necessary and
essential for the Church. All this, however, is not the Church. The Church is
new life in Christ, new joy, communion, love, deification, peace. The Church is
an eternal passage from the old into the new, from this world into the Kingdom
of God. This life is difficult to define; but those who live it, no matter how
imperfectly, know Mary is its perfect expression, its very movement. As heart of
the new creation, Mary is the icon of Christ, the Bride of the Bridegroom, as is
the Church. No ecclesiastical authority has decreed this. The living experience
of the church herself discovers this identification of the Church with Mary, and
expresses the life of the Church in reference to Mary and the veneration of Mary
in reference to the Church. The devotion of the Byzantine Church is Mariological
because Mary is the very embodiment of that piety, its image, its direction, its
movement. Mary is the oranta eternally alive in adoration and self-giving.
5- Eschatological Perspective
As icon of creation and icon of the Church, Mary is also "the dawn of the
mysterious day," the foretaste of the Kingdom of God, the presence of realized
eschatology mentioned by theologians. The one who is "virgin after child
bearing" is also "alive after death" states the Kontakion of the Feast of the
Dormition. Faith tells us that even before the common resurrection and the
consummation of all things in Christ, Mary is fully alive, beyond the
destruction and separation of death. The Christian East has never rationalized
this mystery.
In the East knowledge of God is not the result of logical arguments presented by
theology. Only in worship can human beings obtain knowledge of God. Such
knowledge is nonrational; it is contemplative and mystical. Mary's total unity
with Christ destroyed her death. In her a part of this world is totally
glorified and deified, making her the "dawn of the mysterious day" of the
Kingdom.
6- Maternal Perspective
Mary was associated in all the mysteries of her Son's life on earth. She stood
at the foot of the cross, and a sword of sorrow pierced her heart. Her crucified
Son made her our Mother. Each Wednesday and Friday the Byzantine liturgy
remembers her mystery of suffering and compassion in the moving
stavro-theotokia, Byzantine counterparts of the Latin Stabat Mater Dolorosa. The
experience of Mary as protection and intercession is another dimension of
Byzantine Mariology.
Mary is identified with all suffering and human tragedy. In this regard she is
the icon of the Church as Mother. This theme is emphatically expressed in the
feast of the Protection of the Virgin, and in the endless flow of paraliturgical
Marian prayers and writings previously mentioned.
7- The Byzantine Mariological Perspective
The role of theology in Eastern Christianity differs from that in Western
Christianity. In the West theology is symbolized and encoded in liturgical
action. In the East theology flows from liturgy and is subject to it.
Theological discussion is always dependent on liturgy, and can be understood and
experienced only in the context of the worship life of the Church.
Mariology is not an independent and free-standing element in the rich tradition
of the Byzantine Church or in any other of the Eastern Christian Churches. It is
not studied in itself. Rather, Mariology - doctrine and devotion - is anRejoice O highly favored of God---the Lord is with you...Blessed are you among women..." and again: "All generations shall call me BLESSED!"
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and that is why I jumped in in the first place. why this discussion at all? better it had never been started. what was the point? yes, the Blessed Theotokos had a body of flesh and blood, and so did our LORD Jesus Christ. actually this whole thing has been fought over by feminists in the sixties to attack what they call patriarchal religion.and so it goes.
Much Love,
Jonn
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Father Deacon El, He is truly Risen! Here is another excellent article by Brother John Samaha: MARY IN BYZANTINE SPIRITUALITY
by Brother John M. Samaha, S.M.
Since the Second Vatican Council the Church has striven to promote a new and more careful study of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, in the mystery of Christ and of the Church; to encourage theological faculties in the pursuit of knowledge, research and piety with a regard to Mary of Nazareth. The Mother of the Lord is understood as a "datum of revelation" and a �maternal presence" always operative in the life of the Church.1
The history of theological reflection witnesses to the Church's faith and attention to the Virgin Mary and her mission in the history of salvation. Especially is this evident in the Western Church.2
The deeper the understanding of the mystery of Theotokos, the more profound is the understanding of the mystery of Christ, of the Church, and of the vocation of humanity. Concerning Mary, everything is relative to Christ; only in the mystery of Christ is her mystery fully clear. Conversely, it may generally be said, that knowing Mary illuminates our appreciation of the mystery of Christ and of the Church.3
To the degree in which the mystery of the Church is understood, the mystery of Mary is apparent. Knowing Mary, the Church recognizes its origins, its mission of grace, its destiny to glory, and the pilgrimage of faith which guides it.4
The Virgin Mary is like a mirror reflecting the mighty works of God, which theology has the task of illustrating. The importance of Mariological reflection derives from the importance of Christology from the value of ecclesiology and pneumatology, from the meaning of Christian anthropology, and from eschatology, and is an integral part of them.5
In the Eastern Churches, the understanding and appreciation of the Virgin Mother of God developed differently, and is not the result of scientific theological reflection. The veneration of Mary, when properly understood, permeates the entire life of the Church; it is a dimension of dogma and of piety, of Christology and of ecclesiology. This dimension needs to be made explicit today in connection with the problems of humanity. Mariology expresses something fundamental to the Christian life itself, to the Christian experience of the world.6
Sound Mariology has always been understood in Christological terms. If the Gospel revealed nothing more than the fact that Jesus Christ, God and man, was born of the Virgin Mary, this alone would be sufficient for the Church to love her and to draw theological conclusions from pondering this relationship of Mother and Son. We need no other revelations. Mary is a self-evident and essential datum and dimension of the Gospel.7
Is There a Byzantine Mariologv?
Researching this question leads to a seeming paradox. On one hand we find a tremendous richness of Marian thought in the liturgy, but on the other hand a virtual absence of specifically Mariological studies in theology. The Mariological experience and piety of the Byzantine Churches--Catholic and Orthodox--seem to be embodied almost entirely in their worship. But we find no prominent theological reflection on the subject, nothing that would parallel the specialized Mariological treatises of the Western Church. Theology manuals contain no chapters dealing with the place of Mary in the economy of salvation. The veneration of Mary, which is so central in Byzantine worship, has not been extensively expressed, analyzed, or evaluated systematically.8
This scarcity of theological reflection may seem to some a deficiency in Byzantine theology. How could the Byzantine Church, which never prays to God or Jesus Christ without at the same time also addressing her prayers to Mary, and which constantly praises her who "... is more honorable than the cherubim and beyond compare more glorious than seraphim...," neglect theologizing about her? Why has the Byzantine theological mind not been focused on this enormously important aspect of its life and worship?
In the Byzantine mind, this seeming absence of theological study and reflection is seen as an integral part of the "mystery of Mary" in the experience of the Church. The Byzantine scholar questions whether theology as the rational investigation of the truths of faith is adequate to transpose into precise terms the real content of that mystery. Perhaps the proper locus of Mariology is in liturgy and prayer, that is, in worship. This is reminiscent of Prosper of Aquitane's maxim: Lex orandi, lex credendi.
In the Eastern traditions, Mariology developed through liturgical veneration within the framework of the concomitant feasts; that is, it followed the development of Christology and the Church's contemplation of the Incarnation. All Marian devotion--liturgical and popular--remained organically connected with the mystery of Christ. This has always been the norm and criterion.
In the Byzantine spiritual heritage, the liturgy has been the principal locus of Mariology. The liturgical expression of piety is often found to be adorned with allegory and symbolism. This gave rise to questions about the biblical character and justification of these expressions or forms. Where in the Bible do we find information about Mary's nativity, presentation in the temple, dormition? Yet these are celebrated as Marian festivals. Whatever their poetic, liturgical, and hymnographic expressions, all these events are real because they are self-evident. Mary was born, like every Jewish girl she was taken to the temple, and she eventually left this earthly life. Simply because such information derives from the Apocrypha does not alter their reality. The church contemplates the ultimate reality of these events, not the poetic elaborations in the prayers and hymns.10
In Eastern Christianity, worship and liturgy are paramount. Liturgy is not seen as an action of the community. Liturgy is the procession or entrance into the eschatological reality of the Kingdom of God. It is the meeting place between this world and the Kingdom of God fully realized. Worship is not the commemoration of a past event; it is participation in the events of salvation themselves, because although these occurred historically, they also occur outside the category of time.11
While the Byzantine tradition differs from the theological elaboration common in the West, it nonetheless "belongs to the full catholicity and the apostolicity of the Church."12
Some in the West have speculated that the Nestorian controversy, which was lived in Byzantine territory, may have contributed to fuller liturgical celebration of the Theotokos in the East. This development gave the East a more satisfying and habitual expression of devotion to Mary, and would support the notation that the proper locus of Mariology is primarily in liturgy.13
The West, which lacks such regular liturgical expression, sought other means of elaborating Marian devotion, such as defining privileges and giving impetus to various movements.14
The exploration of three areas may enlighten our appreciation of the Byzantine Marian heritage: the place of Mary in liturgical tradition, the development of the veneration of the Mother of God, and a synthetic view of its theological significance.
Byzantine Liturgy and Mariology
In the Byzantine liturgy we find four main expressions of Mariology: Marian liturgical prayers; Marian feasts; Marian iconography; and Marian paraliturgical piety.15
Marian Liturgical Prayers
Each cycle of prayers concludes with a special prayer addressed to Mary. For example, the groups of hymns called stichiras in the structure of the daily services always conclude with the theotokion, which follows the doxology: "Glory to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages." This role applies to all liturgical prayer units, daily, weekly, and yearly cycles, and also the sanctoral cycle. Whatever the theme of any liturgical celebration, the last word and seal will be the Theotokos, Mary the Virgin Forthbringer of God.
Marian Feasts
The liturgical year includes a series of highly developed Marian commemorations. Four belong to the category of the twelve major feasts: the Nativity of the Virgin, September 8; the Presentation of the Theotokos into the Temple, November 21; the Annunciation, March 25; the Dormition, August 15. The feast of the Purification, February 2, belongs to the same category and is also deeply Marian in meaning. Among the lesser Marian feasts are the Protection of the Virgin, October 1; the Synaxis of the Theotokos, December 26; the Conception of Mary, December 8, and others.
Marian Iconography
The icons of the Theotokos are integral to the life of the Byzantine Church. Their very position in the apse and on the iconostasis indicated definite theological meaning.
An icon is not meant to be a visual representation to stimulate the imagination for devotional purposes. Neither is it meant to teach or inspire. In the spiritual sense, it is a living thing, the point at which heaven and earth meet. St. John of Damascus called the icon a "channel of divine grace." Laden with faith and grace, the icon is a mirror of divine Revelation and gives testimony to the reality that the saving truth is not communicated only by mere human words but also through wordless beauty.16
Also to be considered is the highly developed cult of the commonly termed miraculous icons of the Theotokos, some of which have given rise to important and extremely popular feasts.
Paraliturgical Piety
In addition to the official Marian prayers and celebrations of the liturgy, we find an enormous amount of secondary or paraliturgical feasts and services. To gather all the akathistoi to Mary, written after the pattern of the renowned Akathistos attributed to Romanus, would result in several printed volumes. They testify to the constant flow of heartfelt piety, love, and praise directed to Mary.
Not all these compositions are of equal value and quality. However, the outstanding Byzantine hymnographers like St. John of Damascus, St. Andrew of Crete, St. Cosmas of Maioum, wrote some of their best works on Marian themes.
In the products of their pens we find the true expression, contemplation, and understanding of Mary in Byzantine tradition. The Byzantine patrimony in this area also includes the commentaries on these themes in the homilies composed for Marian feasts by the Greek Fathers and Doctors.
Historical and Liturgical Perspectives
Because the Eastern Churches have no comprehensive historical record of the veneration of Mary, our observations are limited. The first liturgical expression of Marian veneration must have been the "concomitant" feasts, the celebrations attached to the major feasts of Christ. Most likely the first Marian feast in the Byzantine calendar was the Synaxis, December 26, which is directly connected with the Nativity of Jesus Christ. Originally the name given to the Sunday before Christmas was Annunciation. These facts point to the Christological basis of the veneration of Mary. The Byzantine Church contemplated Mary within the mystery of the Incarnation. This Christological dimension is still evident today in the chief Byzantine icon, which portrays Mary as the Mother with the Child, is an icon of Incarnation.17
Concerning the Biblical expression of Marian themes, the Byzantine Church focuses special interest on applying to Mary the terminology of the temple and its cultic symbolism. The temple and its sacred furnishings are understood by Byzantine hymnographers and preachers as announcing the various dimensions of the mystery of Mary. She is called the Temple, the Door, the Candlestick, the Censer, the Holy of Holies, and so forth. In this context, the non-biblical feasts, like the Nativity of the Virgin, and the Presentation into the Temple, are considered basically as the fruit of a particular reading and understanding of the Old Testament.18
Also to be considered is the origin of certain Marian feasts rooted in the construction and dedication of churches in places where events of sacred history were supposed to have occurred. In tracing the history of Byzantine Marian piety we find that it is rooted not in any special revelation, but primarily in the experience of liturgical worship. Theological reflection on Mary did not give rise to her veneration. This veneration sprang from the liturgy as the experience of "heaven on earth," as communion with heavenly realities, as an act of love and devotion, that gradually revealed the unique place of Christ's Mother in both the economy of salvation and the mystery of the "world to come." The Church preaches Christ, not Mary. States a Byzantine hymn, "In her rejoices the whole creation!"19
In celebrating the liturgy, there is really no time gap. In the mystical area of time beyond time, Jesus' redeeming act and one's being redeemed are going on together now--this day, hour, minute. When one is praying with the Church, one is not praying a memory of an event; one is living the dynamics of the event with that special awareness that recognizes the presence of the Lord.20
In seeking to understand the meaning of Eastern Christian liturgy, the Byzantine in particular, it is important to note that it is not symbolic in the Western sense. A liturgical action has no isolated intrinsic meaning. Neither can theology be appealed to for a definition or rational explanation of a single sign or action, because Eastern Christian theology describes rather than defines the reality of salvation. The Eastern Church resists attempts to define meaning piece-meal by analyzing elements of liturgy. Eastern Christian worship must be comprehended holistically, and liturgical actions recognized as pointing beyond themselves to a greater reality in which the Christian participates when worshipping.
In the Eastern and Byzantine world the cultic, liturgical origin of Mariology possesses special importance for the understanding of its true nature and theological implications. Mary is not the object of a cult added to that of Jesus Christ. Rather she is an essential dimension of the cult addressed to God and Christ, a quality of that cult.21
Biblical Theological Perspective
The Byzantine liturgy unfolds other Mariological themes that are biblically based. Christ is the New Adam and Mary is the New Eve. This is the primary and soteriological dimension of her veneration by the Church. The Byzantine Church concentrates in Mary the whole biblical vision and experience in the relationship between God and creation, the Savior and the world, as a mystery of love whose closest expression in "this world" is the man-woman relationship. God loves the world, God loves the chosen people, Christ loves the Church as a husband loves his wife. More precisely, the mystery of human love reflects the mystery of God's love for His creation. Mary stands for the femininity of creation itself. Her femininity means responding love, obedience, self living, the readiness to live exclusively in and for the other. The woman responds to the initiative of man and flows to him, and in this total self-giving she fulfills herself. Eve failed to be the Woman because she took the initiative; she distorted the order of creation and became the cause of sin. The chosen people of God failed to be the handmaid of the Lord in love and obedience. But Mary, by her total obedience, restores something absolutely essential in the order of creation. She is not the representative of the woman or women before God. Mary is the icon of the entire creation as response to Christ and to God. The traditional icon of Mary "wider than heaven" expresses well this notion; it is often found in the apse of Byzantine churches.22
Ecclesial Perspective
The Church is not only an institution or community, but a sacrament in the sense of being the epiphany of the events of salvation. In this context, liturgy is not the way in which the community expresses its faith, but is the participation of those who believe in the timeless reality of salvific events.
The Church is institution and the Church is life. Since the Reformation and Counter-Reformation, ecclesiology has dwelt mainly on the institutional aspect of the Church. These canonical and organizational aspects are necessary and essential for the Church. All this, however, is not the Church. The Church is new life in Christ, new joy, communion, love, deification, peace. The Church is an eternal passage from the old into the new, from this world into the Kingdom of God. This life is difficult to define, but those who live it, no matter how imperfectly, know Mary is its perfect expression, its very movement. As heart of the new creation, Mary is the icon of Christ, the Bride of the Bridegroom, as is the Church. The living experience of the Church herself discovers this identification of the Church with Mary, and expresses the life of the Church in reference to Mary, and the veneration of Mary in reference to the Church. The devotion of the Byzantine Church is Mariological because Mary is the very embodiment of that piety--its image, its direction, its movement. Mary is the oranta eternally alive in adoration and selfgiving.23
Eschatological Perspective
As icon of creation and icon of the Church, Mary is also "the dawn of the mysterious day," the foretaste of the Kingdom of God, the presence of realized eschatology mentioned by theologians. The one who is "virgin after childbearing" is also "alive after death" states the Kontakion of the Feast of the Dormition. Faith tells us that even before the common resurrection and the consummation of all things in Christ, Mary is fully alive, beyond the destruction and separation of death. The Christian East has never rationalized this mystery.24
In the East, knowledge of God is not seen as the result of logical arguments presented by theology. Only in worship can human beings obtain knowledge of God. Such knowledge is non-rational; it is contemplative and mystical. Mary's total unity with Christ destroyed her death. In her, a part of this world is totally glorified and deified, making her the "dawn of the mysterious day of the Kingdom."25
Maternal Perspective
Mary was associated in all the mysteries of her Son's life on earth. She stood at the foot of the Cross, and a sword of sorrow pierced her heart. Her crucified Son made her our Mother. Each Wednesday and Friday the Byzantine liturgy remembers her mystery of suffering and compassion in the moving stavrotheotokia, Byzantine counterparts of the Latin Stabat Mater Dolorosa. The experience of Mary as protector and intercessor is another dimension of Byzantine Mariology. Mary is identified with all suffering and human tragedy. In this regard, she is the icon of the Church as Mother. This theme is emphatically expressed in the feast of the Protection of the Virgin, and in the endless flow of paraliturgical Marian payers and writings previously mentioned.26
The Byzantine Mariological Perspective
The role of theology in Eastern Christianity differs from that in Western Christianity. In the West, theology is symbolized and encoded in liturgical action. In the East, theology flows from liturgy and is subject to it. Theological discussion is always dependent on liturgy, and can be understood and experienced only in the context of the worship life of the Church.
Mariology is not an independent and free-standing element in the rich tradition of the Byzantine Church or in any of the other Eastern Christian Churches. It is not studied in itself. Rather, Mariology--doctrine and devotion--is an essential element of Christian cosmology, Christology, soteriology, ecclesiology, and eschatology. It is not an object of faith, but its fruit. Mary is not nota ecclesiae, but the self-revelation of the Church. Mariology is not a doctrine, but the life and fragrance of Christian doctrine in us.27
Brother John M. Samaha, S. M. is a Marianist who writes from Cupertino, California.
End Notes
1 The Virgin Mary in Intellectual and Spiritual Formation. Rome: Congregation for Catholic Education, 1988 , no.1. This instruction leans heavily on Lumen Gentium, chapter 8; Marialis Cultus; Redemptoris Mater.
2 Ibid., n.2 ff.
3 Ibid., nn.18-19.
4 Ibid., nn. 20-21.
5 Ibid., n. 22.
6 Schmemann, Alexander, "On Mariology in Orthodoxy," in Marian Library Studies vol. 2, 1970; reprinted in Schmemann, Alexander, The Virgin Mary. Crestwood, N.Y., St. Vladimir's Seminary Press, 1995, p.60.
7 Ibid., p. 60.
8 Schmemann, Alexander, "Mary in Eastern Liturgy," in Marian Studies, vol.19, 1968; reprinted in Schmemann, Alexander, The Virgin Mary. Crestwood, N.Y., St. Vladimir's Seminary Press, 1995, p.85.
9 Ibid., p. 85.
10 Schmemann, "On Mary in Orthodoxy,"pp. 60-61.
11 Timko, Louise, "The Epitaphion," in Worship, March 1996.
12 Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatia Redintegratio), Vatican II, 1964, n.17.
13 Sherwood, Polycarp, "Byzantine Mariology," in Proceedings of the fifteenth Convention of the Catholic Theological Society of America, 1960.
14 Ibid.
15 Schmemann, "Mary in Eastem Liturgy," p. 86.
16 Timko, op.cit.
17 Schmemann, "Mary in Eastern Liturgy," p. 88.
18 Ibid., p. 89.
19 Ibid., p. 89,
20 Kapusnak, Sister Margaret, "Great Friday," in Journey through the Great Fast, McKees Rocks, PA: Byzantine Catechetical Center.
21 Schmemann, "Mary in Eastern Liturgy," p. 90.
22 Ibid., pp. 90-91.
23 Ibid., p. 92.
24 Ibid., p. 92
25 Ibid., p. 92
26 Ibid., p. 93.
27 Ibid., p. 93.
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I am recently comming out of Protestant land to re enter the Catholoic Church, was at Mass for the first time in over 25 years last Sunday, made my confession today for the first time in over 30 years. So to say I'm ignorant of Catholic doctrines would be a gross understatement! Do all Catholics believe Mary remained a miraculous virgin after the birth of Christ, when did this teaching originate, as well as imaculate conception, man, there is so much to learn, and unlearn! Fragile, Let me just say welcome back. The Holy Angels are rejoicing over your "conversion."  Others who are more learned than me have probably answered your questions.
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Well if they did, it went right over my head! I am ignorant to what Byzantine is, I just glanced over the posts, however, I have no such historical perspective to make much sence out of this, laymens terms anyone, or was that what that was?! lol
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This may be a bit late but the 4th Dogma of the Catholic Church says: IV. The Mother of the Redeemer Mary is truly the Mother of God. Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin. Mary is the Immaculate Conception. Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost without the cooperation of man. Mary bore her Son without any violation of her virginal integrity. After the birth of Jesus, Mary remained a Virgin. Mary was assumed body and soul into Heaven. http://www.theworkofgod.org/dogmas.htm
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Dear KatholikosMercy,
The Christian East does not accept ANY understanding of Original Sin where there is a "stain" of inherited guilt involved. I'm not saying that is what the RC Church believes - I don't know and, frankly, don't care as it has no impact on what we believe.
In celebrating the Feast of the Conception of St. Anne, the Eastern Church celebrates the Theotokos as a Saint which implies that she was conceived in holiness (as was John the Baptist).
The three stars on the shoulders and head of the Theotokos signify she was a Virgin before, during and after the Birth of Christ, symbolic of Christ's future Resurrection from the tomb as God the Word Incarnate.
The biblical citation often given by our dear separated brethren to counter this where mention is made of the brothers and sisters of Jesus - these were the children of Joseph by his first marriage as discussed in "Joseph the Carpenter" - accepted by the Eastern Churches from time immemorial.
And that is a bad quotation since it also refers to Joseph as Jesus' father - and even our dear separated brethren accept that Jesus is the Son of God the Father and had no earthly father.
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Dear Alex, And that is a bad quotation since it also refers to Joseph as Jesus' father - and even our dear separated brethren accept that Jesus is the Son of God the Father and had no earthly father.
Alex Slow down there .... In one of the few instances where the Gospels record a direct speech of the holy Theotokos herself, she says: "idou ho pater sou kago odunomenoi ezeitoumen se" (Lk 2: 48) "Behold thy father and I have been looking for you anxiously." Fatherhood is not just biological DNA contribution; perhaps the most important part of fatherhood for us humans is the vocation to raise our children properly, to which St. Joseph, the "just man" according to the Holy Spirit, certainly was faithful! Michael
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DEar Michael,
Fair enough - but the role of St Joseph as foster father is something that had to be there from a societal perspective given that that society could not understand how Jesus was and is the Son of the Eternal Father.
The East sees St Joseph as the "Guardian" of the Theotokos and her Child while the West developed Josephology and his fatherhood in relation to Jesus.
Full speed ahead!
Alex
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