It is our ruthenian church history , forgotten ,persecuted , left , not by will of her children ,but by human stupidness our neigbours or our jalous character of our older brothers
some website in english , some in polish , any way just to look pictures and bow down your heard
Here is not place to talk about politics and political system it was , were times of hate towards ukrainians and ukrainian ethnick groups /lemkos , boykos/ , it is passed Now polish goverment must be involved in proces of renovation such old churches in ruins
bojko. I only asked because the topic's title was about a church in ruins, not one that was filled with smiling Christians praising the Lord. I watched and listened to the video and was greatly saddened by what seemed to be the result of a mad event. My first reaction was to ask who would do such a thing? Atheistic Communists? Militant Muslims? My question is proper to the topic, especially one that is about a church in ruins. I am not up to speed on whta you might know or wish not to discuss. Maybe the topic about the Greekcatholic church should be banned from discussion? Personally, bojko, i did not know I was talking about politics and political systems. This forum is about "Church news" and I thought the video, the music, the ruins needed an explanation. The topic was about Greek catholics, not Ukrainians. Please clarify how this is so.
I found your last sentence strange, especially after you just mentioned that politics and political systems should not be discussed. thta you expect the polish government to fund the renovation of ruined churches is, indeed, a political expectation; hence an active contribution to the arena of political talk.
An explanation as to why this or other churches are in ruins would be appreciated. Thanks!
ok. i didn't read the links from bojko above until after I posted my reply. It looks like the Polish government exiled the Ukrainians and either tore down their churches or used them for other purposes. I looked at some of the pictures and was disturbed. Isn't this what the ACLU and the Muslims want to do here too - someday? Something wicked this way comes. Eddie
I am with you. I am unfamiliar with this history. The video is heartbreaking...
I am new to this forum and am Latin Rite. So there is much that is new. So far I have gleaned that this forum while Greek Catholic is frequented by Orthodox. Centuries of animosity can make these forums tense. It appears to me that folks have difficulty explaining this history without re-opening old wounds. Of course the first step in healing old wounds is finding ways to speak of the past that are not polemical. Except for some Baptists and Evangelicals most Westerners have learned to speak of differences without the taint of polemic. More sad than that video is the reality that our Eastern brethren still carry their wounds so close to the surface.
Except for some Baptists and Evangelicals most Westerners have learned to speak of differences without the taint of polemic. More sad than that video is the reality that our Eastern brethren still carry their wounds so close to the surface.
I pray for the peace of the heavenly Jerusalem.
Fr. Arthur
Perhaps Fr. Arthur is unfamiliar with the history of the involvement of the Church in South American politics - of which you can't interject the "wounds" of the Greek Catholics, or perhaps the recent memory of Archbishop Stanislaw Wielgus, again without involvement of the Greek Catholics.
It wasn't enough that we were the largest illegal ecclesial body in the world at the time - our people were forceably deported, "poulations redistributed", and our beatiful houses of worship defiled. If that does not stir the passions, I don't know what does. As Patriarch Josyp Slipyj exhorted the bishops at the Second Vatican Council, "forgive us for being Greek Catholics" - we know we are not perfect.
Forgive me if my words came off callous. This was not my intention. I DO feel for the plight of Eastern Catholics, what they have suffered at the hands of the Communists, the Orthodox, the Romans.
I am generally aware of the church's involvement is South American politics. I have lived in Bolivia and Peru. But, I am not sure I understand your reference. What is the connection here with Greek Catholics?
My point was only that there has been no clear explanation of the history of the churche (es) depicted in the video. Why are they in ruins? What happened? Well, whatever happened, it seems difficult to speak of without getting into polemics. Am I wrong here? If so, educate me.
most Westerners have learned to speak of differences without the taint of polemic
one can only look to the examples I have given within the Western Latin Church (i.e. Poland and South America) to see that is simply not the case - and in the case of South America the "polemic" and "differences" have on occasion led to great violence even between Latin Catholics. And plenty more examples could be given.
Unfortunately no Christians, Eastern or Western, are above disunity and lack of charity. And ultimately no generalizations perhaps implying one as somehow better, more developed or mature (perhaps that was not intended) when one makes a statement such as "Westerners have learned to speak of differences without the taint of polemic" will hold.
Regarding the history of Aktsia Wisla there are multiple resources in English one can look towards. Church in Ruins by Oleh Iwanusiw is good, and Diana Howansky also collected and translated some first-hand accounts. The noted historian Orest Subtelny also wrote a very good article entitled Expulsion, Resettlement, Civil Strife: The Fate of Poland�s Ukrainians, 1944�1947 in a larger work on ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe following World War II.
Regarding the history of Action Wisla in memory of victims we have Panahyda and Divine Liturgy in 16th September in Yaworzno /Jaworzno concentration camp/
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