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Who DOESN'T want to be Celtic?

Fr. Serge, more about the clerical kilt, please!

Seriously, I knew I was home when I joined up with the Rusyns... and met a lot of fellow Irishmen.

https://www.byzcath.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1106&Itemid=49

Anyone ever hear of the band Orthodox Celts?

http://www.orthodoxcelts.co.yu/

Is this all said in jest?????????????

These Rusyns might be Egyptian. Theories abound how Egyptian cultural artifacts have been found with Celtics. So if the Celtics made a dash to Rusyn territory then I can only expect that they only got lost trying to get back home - to Egypt. No Mapquest back then; just a bunch of Celts enjoying too much Guiness.
Eddie (part Celtic; aren't we all?)

Do check our new parish web site

ugcc@ie

every now and then - I'll be happy to add information on Celtic activities in the Eastern Churches.

The clerical kilt is plain black, and hence rather boring. But I suppose a new tartan could be designed for Greek-Catholic Celts!

[By the way, the C in Celt is pronounced as a K, not as an S.]

An tAth. Brian

The Tartan of the Cleric

http://albanach.org/clergy_tartan.htm

So waht does Magocsi say about all this? A topic for his next book?

I don't think the article was suggesting any jesting by the monks.

Why not? The Celts are reported to have swept through Europe, hung out in Spain, and finally settled in their respective Celtic lands of today. Some might have remained in the Sub-Carpathians.

Now, if the monks start to say they're descended from the Tuatha de Danann, then I'd start to worry....

I don't know about Rusyn ties to the Celts, but there is some possibility that residents of Galicia/Halych may be descended from the Celts (of course, Zakarpatska is geographically close enough to Halych, so who knows?). When I was in formation for Diaconate at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Overbrook, Pa., our professor for St. Paul's Epistles was a Vincentian priest (now deceased) surnamed Murray (of Irish ancestry). The seminarians used to call him "Paul on the Wall" because he was heavy into overhead projectors. He started one class by indicating that the only Epistle of St. Paul which gives hints that he was having trouble with those on the receiving end was his Epistle to the Galatians. He went on to indicate that it is believed that the Galatians were the Celts. One interesting link is that you find Celtic-looking people (esp. red hair & freckles) wherever you have areas referred to as "Galicia". There is a Galicia in Ukraine (Poles also lay claim to Galicia),and in Spain. Both regions have a good number of Celtic-looking people (in my life, I've met two guys with red hair and freckles who I took to be of Irish ancestry who were actually of Polish ancestry-one bore the surname "Skiebinski", and the other "Lubiniewski). You also find people with the same physical attributes in Normandy, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and in Cornwall. These "Galatians" really got around. But, notice that St. Paul had trouble with them. Sound familiar?

Dn. Robert

I'm half Irish already...

...my dad would have said that is the good half...

...my mom says that's the half that wants to sleep in a bog with the pigs.

Celtic or not, this is a very interesting find!

The Hrushevo Monastery (also known in Romanian as the Peri Monastery) of Saint Michael was a Stavropigial monastery of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. In the 14th century, the hegumen of the monastery, Pachomius, was named Exarch of the Ecumenical Throne for that region, including the counties of Maramaros/Maramures, Ugocha and Bereg.

The Romanians have built/rebuilt a Monastery at Sapanta-Peri, but this isn't the same as the one the monks are excavating in the article.

There were several other associated monasteries, and some on the Romanian side of the Tisa have been reconstructed, such as Barsana, which is built entirely out of wood in the Maramures style. http://www.manastireabarsana.ro

An excerpt from Fr. Pekar's "History of the Church in Carpathian Rus" dealing with this monastery and the tension between it and the Bishop of Mukachevo can be found here: http://www.uaoc.org/maramaros.html (Please don't mind the site on which it appears!)

Dave

"A Ghalatacha gan chiall, c� a d�imir an dra�ocht oraibh?"

Anyway, that tartan looks attractive - where can it be obtained?

An tAth. Brian

O.Serge,

Some may have trouble naming the different Slavic tribes (East, Central, West, South). Just which peoples (Scots,Welsh, Irish,ect.) make up the Celtic Clans?? What seperates them and how close are their individual dialects?

Ungcsertezs

Fr. Deacon, I don't know as red hair and freckles are indicative of Celtic ancestry as much as Norse-Icelandic ancestry.

About the Gallicia idea, I'm in agreement. Obviously the Celts were spread out more than just in Ireland, Wales, and Scotland -- there's Brittany of course and a few other spots around Europe. The Gauls, whom Caesar famously battled, were Celts. Migration charts show that the Celts swept through Europe. Here's some proposed migrations and whatnot:

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/%7Esm99ff00/EalainCheilteach/dealbhmor_map_Ceiltich_Roinn_Eorpa.html

http://www.worldcoincatalog.com/AC/C1/CelticKingdoms/CelticKingdoms.jpg

So there's evidence they might have swung through the Carpathians. Maybe the Rusyns ARE Celts? I'll bring it up at choir practice tonight and see what they say Maybe I can translate the Rusyn anthem into Gaeilge?

The Celtic peoples as presently constituted consist of the Irish, Welsh, Scots, Manx, Cornish and Bretons. Linguistically they are divided into Goidelic Celtic (Irish, Scots and Manx Gaelic) and Brythonic Celtic (Welsh, Cornish and Breton). The two branches of languages are mutually unintelligible and have been since the end of the Bronze Age.

The Galicians of Spain are often regarded as being the descendants of the Celtiberians, one of the extinct branches along with Gaulish.

Fr. Serge,

http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/kiltpage.html

They also have Irish tartans as well.


Fr. Deacon Lance