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I think that was Amado's exact point.

Back to the health care issue. I plan on seeing the movie, even though I lived through a lot of it with the passing of my wife. Health care is all about money in this country. Everyone wants to make a buck off it, and a very high buck at that.

The worst of the bunch are the pharmaceutical companies. They have absolutely no concern for anything other than seeing how many pills they can get you to buy. I'm sure that the movie will make a point of this.

When I had gallstones 15 years ago, I was offered the conventional treatment, which was to cut me gall bladder out, slap me on the bottom, and send me home with a whoppin' big bill. I elected to go to my local health food store and to make a long story short, the stones are gone and the gall bladder is still where God put it. And it cost me about $50 to do it all.

Same thing with my Hepatitus C, which I suffer from now. When discovered, my general practitioner sent me to a gastro doctor, you told me I should go on a regimin of interfeuron. Well, not being real trusting of pills, chemicals, and doctors, I went home and did a little research.

Turns out that interfeuron has only a 33% chance of success with the type genome of Hep C that I have. On top of it, it usually makes one sick as a dog for a couple of days. And it costs about $50,000 for the full year's treatment.

I said no.

And back to the health food store for more goodies. Four years later, I not only feel fine, but my current gastro doctor has told me that my test results have improved every year.

This, of course, you won't hear from the doctors who are trained by pharmacy companies to push pills.

IT'S A RACKET FOLKS!!!

And kudos to Michael Moore for exposing it.

Now if we could just get him to see babies as human beings also

Brother Ed

Monomakh,

What has Moore said about abortion? Here is something from October 2003:I'll bet he's on the Ted Kennedy side of abortion, but I still agree with him about the health care industry in the States.

Michael Moore is a fanatic who wants to make Fidel Castro's Cuba look like a socialist paradise of "free" health care. (How has he treated Catholics? How about a documentary on that, Altar Boy Mr. Moore?) He believes we deserved 9/11 and compares Iraqi jihadists to American minutemen...this in addition to the fact that every "documentary" that he makes is filled with documented lies and distortions. Don't put money in this pro-abortion nutcase's oversized wallet because he happened to go to the same church as Ted Kennedy and Rudy Giuliani.

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To be fair none of those mentioned were actually practicing catholic in good staning with the Church. Hitler didn't even stick it out long enough to be confirmed he was only batptized catholic though he sang in the church choir as a young boy but dropped out soon after.
Stalin was however a serious practicing memeber of Orthodoxy so much so that he went to Seminary! And of course lets not forget Ivan the Terrible and Vlad Dracula another fine members that serriously practiced Orthdooxy while murdering hundereds of thousands. So I guess we all have memebers we would like to forget about. Their are goats in every branch of Christianity whether it be Catholcism, Orthodoxy or Protestantism.

Vlad impaled Turks, so for him, we WAS defending the Faith. I read recently that he's considered a national hero in Romania.

Domilsean,

Do you really think that impaling another human, Turk or not, Christian or not, is ever really appropriate?

I'm not trying to sidetrack the issue, but I really do wonder. What do you think impalement and bathing in the blood of victims does for the idea of human dignity? Very seriously diminishes it, I would venture.

I don't really see Christ impaling His victims, even if He were "defending the Faith."

Alexis

Dear Lanceg,

I couldn't agree with you more. The doctors will never mention a healthful way to cure a problem, but rather will immediately prescribe medication. I assume they get a kick back, but I can't blame them for that. They make so little profit, and have had so much schooling and debts.

I began getting catalogues from health food companies about ten years ago, and have self educated myself. I'm shocked to find out how little people know, and how people refuse to try anything unless a doctor will recommend it. There is no way they will do so, but they will tell you if it is harmful or beneficial if you are taking something on your own.

Also, since many products on the market are natural products, the drug companies cannot make a profit on them, to their dismay. The best thing is to buy books. I believe that Dr. Perricone has one, as well as other doctors.

God Bless,

Zenovia

Dear stivvy,

I would change that around to "many of those are Catholics, but not Christians". In the same way I would say that many people I know are Orthodox, but not Christians.

To be a Christian, depends on the state of one's heart.

God Bless,

Zenovia

Dear Lance,

Cobra is ridiculous. How in the world are people who have been laid off or fired supposed to afford the exhorbitant rates on no salary? DUH?!? Or are they supposed to deplete any savings they may have, not knowing when they will find their next employment, on Cobra health insurance payments, and not pay their bills and buy food?!?

Alice

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Zenovia

And are not your healthfood companies making a nice profit too ?

These folk who have all written books - are they totally uninterested in making a profit ? And why does one seemingly contradict another ?

Before you say anything - no I'm not getting at you - I would say this to anyone. Everyone has their own agenda - sadly enough.

I read this with great interest yesterday...It was on page 2, and I am reprinting it. If I am not mistaken, I believe that Dr. Eric is also a great proponent of holistic health care. Just as in our spiritual lives, I think that there should be balance in treating disease (holistic AND traditional). I don't think that the pharmaceutical companies care for that notion though. The ones that really suffer, ultimately, are patients, who need to become more knowledgeable and do more research before they agree to every medication thrown (and I mean, literally thrown, their way).

My friend got so fed up with her internist at one point, that she said, "No, I don't want to try x medicine, and then y medicine, and also z medicine and become a junkie, thank you very much". (None of these were needed, except, perhaps, initially the first...it was a case of y medicine coupled with x medicine will take care of side effects of x medicine (which she was never told about), and while you are at it, I noticed that you are a smoker, so why don't you add z medicine which will help you quit....There is something wrong w/the picture here....Doctor gets kickbacks for 'dealing' those drugs!

Or, the story of my hairdresser's doctor who literally hands out free samples of anti-depressants to every woman that walks through his door, (including every little old yiayia, who is clueless and trusts her doctor like he is God), before even consulting with them, so that he can get them hooked and get his kickbacks! ARGH!

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Posted by Altar Boy:

Back to the health care issue. I plan on seeing the movie, even though I lived through a lot of it with the passing of my wife. Health care is all about money in this country. Everyone wants to make a buck off it, and a very high buck at that.

The worst of the bunch are the pharmaceutical companies. They have absolutely no concern for anything other than seeing how many pills they can get you to buy. I'm sure that the movie will make a point of this.

When I had gallstones 15 years ago, I was offered the conventional treatment, which was to cut me gall bladder out, slap me on the bottom, and send me home with a whoppin' big bill. I elected to go to my local health food store and to make a long story short, the stones are gone and the gall bladder is still where God put it. And it cost me about $50 to do it all.

Same thing with my Hepatitus C, which I suffer from now. When discovered, my general practitioner sent me to a gastro doctor, you told me I should go on a regimin of interfeuron. Well, not being real trusting of pills, chemicals, and doctors, I went home and did a little research.

Turns out that interfeuron has only a 33% chance of success with the type genome of Hep C that I have. On top of it, it usually makes one sick as a dog for a couple of days. And it costs about $50,000 for the full year's treatment.

I said no.

And back to the health food store for more goodies. Four years later, I not only feel fine, but my current gastro doctor has told me that my test results have improved every year.

This, of course, you won't hear from the doctors who are trained by pharmacy companies to push pills.

IT'S A RACKET FOLKS!!!

And kudos to Michael Moore for exposing it.

Now if we could just get him to see babies as human beings also

Brother Ed

Amen, Zenovia!

Also, walking helps me. I have taken on walking 5 miles a day, I hardly ever fail. Since I have been doing that, my blood sugar numbers have come down.

We Americans need to also take responsibility for own health, as well as demand better health care service.

Lance

Gordo, I do not like that Michael Moore is staunchly pro-choice. But I think it is a little over the top putting him in the same category as Hitler and Mussolini.

I am not that competent to judge someone else's spiritual state.

I'm not saying impaling is a good thing, just that there was a time when folks thought this stuff was OK, you know?

Constantine is a saint, and he killed loads of people (or had them killed) -- heck, any emperor of Byzantium falls under that category.

As for doctors, I refuse to see an MD anymore. I'll only see osteopaths.

The last few MDs I saw told me I was slightly overweight (I knew that) and that I had slightly elevated blood pressure (knew that too) and that the two were probably related... the last guy told me he'd give me some drugs for the blood pressure. I asked what I should do about the weight; he said he'd give me drugs for that, too! I said, "what about diet and exercise?" He conceded, "yeah, that works too." Never trust a guy with a "Botox certified" plaque prominently displayed in his office.

Ah, but when I went to see the Osteopath, WOW! He took an hour just to take my HISTORY! I almost cried. His solution to my problems was: keep riding that bike! and I have.