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Perhaps somebody who is within reasonable distance of the Slovak festival would do us all a favor by attending Bishop Milan's service and informing us as to what it is and what actually will have happened at it. That really could be interesting. Incognitus
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Johan wrote: "...Because, he does not think our liturgy is relevant in this modernism world we live in..."
Actually, the Slovak community has had different bishops and archbishops, both Latin Rite and Byzantine Rite, celebrate services at their Festival every year. Those officiating come from Slovakia at the invitation of the Midwest Slovak Fest committee.
There is a VERY LARGE and VERY ACTIVE Slovak emmigre community with a large number of them young people from Vychodna Slovenska. What better reason for the Bishop to visit???
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What connection could this man possibly have to an emigre "Slovak Greek Catholic" community -- - in Slovakia he was a Roman Catholic priest; - his entire life in the Byzantine "Rite" has been spent in Ukraine. - There are no "Slovak Greek Catholics" in Ukraine.
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This visit is pure politics. Let him come and be among his countrymen! May they be mutually edified in their Slovakness.
But will he, as administrator of the Ruthenian Eparchy of Mukachevo, bother to visit any "Ruthenian" communities of the Pittsburgh Metropolia (if there are any left)? I would be VERY surprised.
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Lemko Rusyn has raised an interesting question. Will Bishop Milan visit any Greek-Catholic communities during his trip to the USA? Rumor has it that the great majority of new arrivals from Eastern Slovakia who are of Greek-Catholic background are nevertheless attending Roman Catholic Churches; perhaps Bishop Milan could address this matter. One will watch with interest as events unfold. Incognitus
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Incognitus, I don't mean to be argumentative, but what concern is it of his, really? I could see Bishop Jan (Babjak) of Presov or Bishop Milan (Chavtur) of Kosice probing this question, but again, this bishop is a Roman Catholic bi-ritual administering a see in Ukraine. If there is pastoral concern, he should be seeking the lost sheep of the Mukachevo Eparchy who are unchurched immigrants here in the USA. Those are his flock, not people from Slovakia whatever their religion.
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Originally posted by Lemko Rusyn: Incognitus, I don't mean to be argumentative, but what concern is it of his, really? I could see Bishop Jan (Babjak) of Presov or Bishop Milan (Chavtur) of Kosice probing this question, but again, this bishop is a Roman Catholic bi-ritual administering a see in Ukraine. He is a Slovak RC bi-ritual bishop/administrator in Ukraine? I'm really confused. I've never heard of a bi-ritual bishop. Joe
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Bishop Milan's title per Pope John Paul II (January 6, 2003):
"Bishop Milan Sasik, Apostolic Administrator "ad nutum Sanctae Sedis" of the Eparchy of Mukacheve, Ukraine."
Was he a hand-picked administrator from the RC Church? Who is the real bishop of Uzhorod or the Eparchy of Mukacheve? Help!
Is he and the other Presov bishop Latin bishops? Both were ordained in Rome by the Pope with other Latin bishops, right? Is there Apostollic Succession actually via Rome and not Byzantium?
Was Basil Takach and Constantine Bohachevsky ordained by the Pope too?
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Originally posted by J Thur: Bishop Milan's title per Pope John Paul II (January 6, 2003):
"Bishop Milan Sasik, Apostolic Administrator "ad nutum Sanctae Sedis" of the Eparchy of Mukacheve, Ukraine."
Was he a hand-picked administrator from the RC Church? Who is the real bishop of Uzhorod or the Eparchy of Mukacheve? Help! Joe, surely you haven't forgotten this interminable thread: https://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000866;p=4 Page 4 has the relevant discussion. As far as we know, Bishop Sasik is still a bi-ritual bishop of the Latin Church. That was his priestly status immediately before his consecration, so what's changed? Was Basil Takach and Constantine Bohachevsky ordained by the Pope too? No, they were consecrated by Bishop Evreinoff, a Bulgarian, if I remember correctly.
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Originally posted by Lemko Rusyn: Joe, surely you haven't forgotten this interminable thread: https://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000866;p=4
Oh, yes ... :rolleyes:
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If my directory serves me correctly, Bishop (later Metropolitan) Constantine Bohachevsky and Bishop Basil Takach were both consecrated by Bishop Josaphat Kotsylovsky, Bishop Dionysius Nyaradi and Bishop Isaias Papadopoulos. This took place in 1924, before Alexander Evreinoff was a bishop at all (and he was not a Bulgarian). Incognitus
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Originally posted by incognitus: If my directory serves me correctly, Bishop (later Metropolitan) Constantine Bohachevsky and Bishop Basil Takach were both consecrated by Bishop Josaphat Kotsylovsky, Bishop Dionysius Nyaradi and Bishop Isaias Papadopoulos. This took place in 1924, before Alexander Evreinoff was a bishop at all (and he was not a Bulgarian). Incognitus Peace, The second co-consecrator of both bishops was Bishop Giovanni Mele, Eparch of Lungro, not Bishop Papadopoulos. Best wishes, Charles
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