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I do not care for the term "extraordinary" applied to the Missal of 1962, it reminds me of that nightmare...Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion

james

Hmmm. Does anyone else remember the coat of arms of Grand Fenwick?

Fr. Serge

Vatican City, Jun 27, 2007 / 03:21 pm (CNA).- Pope Benedict XVI intends to publish his Motu Proprio liberating the Mass of St. Pius V on July 7, 2007 announced today the Vatican correspondent for the German newspaper Die Welt, Paul Badde.

Article here [catholicnewsagency.com]

Deo Gratias!

Gordo

Here is an official press release from the Holy See Press Office:

OFFICIAL
COMMUNIQU� OF THE HOLY SEE PRESS OFFICE


A meeting took place yesterday afternoon at the Vatican, presided by the Cardinal Secretary of State, in which the content and the spirit of the expected "Motu proprio" of the Holy Father on the use of the Missal promulgated by John XXIII in 1962 were explained to the representatives of several episcopal conferences. The Holy Father came to greet those who were present and maintained a profound discussion with them for about one hour. The publication of the document - which will be accompanied by a thorough personal letter of the Holy Father to the singular Bishops - is predicted for within a few days, when the document itself will be sent to all Bishops with the indication of its successive coming into effect.

And in the original Italian: COMUNICATO DELLA SALA STAMPA DELLA SANTA SEDE

Si � svolta ieri pomeriggio in Vaticano una riunione, presieduta dal Cardinale Segretario di Stato, in cui � stato illustrato ai rappresentanti di diverse conferenze episcopali il contenuto e lo spirito dell�annunciato "Motu proprio" del Santo Padre sull�uso del Messale promulgato da Giovanni XXIII nel 1962. Il Santo Padre si � recato a salutare i presenti e si � intrattenuto con loro in un�approfondita conversazione per circa un�ora. La pubblicazione del documento � che sar� accompagnato da un�ampia lettera personale del Santo Padre ai singoli Vescovi � � prevista entro alcuni giorni, quando il documento stesso sar� stato inviato a tutti i Vescovi con la indicazione della sua successiva entrata in vigore.


As for collapsing from shock...don't bump your head on the way down, Father!

Alexis

James,

I do see your point re: "extraordinary/ordinary" terminology, but I think it fits rather perfectly. The Novus Ordo is, well, rather ordinary, and the TLM (if properly celebrated) is quite extraordinary.

Alexis

I wonder if the traditionalist-minded Catholics would complain as much of the use of the extraordinary rite for the Mass as they complain about the use of extraorinary ministers of Holy Communion.

One would hope for consistency from such a vocal group.

Shalom,
Memo

Delighted to read the press statement from the Sala Stampa - thank you for posting it.

Now I think I shall go straight to bed, make sure the pillows are soft, and collapse in shock . . . but no, that exercise can wait for the actual motu proprio.

Fr. Serge

The Novus Ordo is, well, rather ordinary, and the TLM (if properly celebrated) is quite extraordinary.

Alexis


Thanks for the point of clarity...

james

The most recent report indicates that at the meeting in the Vatican with Pope Benedict the other day, the bishops present received copies of the Motu Proprio and the cover letter - and that several bishops had the effrontery to complain that they could not understand the Motu Proprio "because it is written in Latin"! What language did they expect it to be in - Pushtu?

Anyway, watch for leaks - one item is already reported; seems that there is a review proposed after three years. Now why didn't they have such a review three years after the Novus Ordo was published?

Fr. Serge

Absurdities abound.


Live and learn?

M.

Where is the sincerity? This sounds so political.

Those bishops who complained about the Latin text are probably really going to complain about the Latin Mass and vote it down in less than three years if they can. Sheesh! They might even become paranoid and think that those Latin-speaking Priests will surely be adlibbing in Latin against their ordinaries. And who will report them in a foreign language? And yet the vernacular does allow for Spanish, French, German, Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Romanian, etc. So why is Latin so suspect all of a sudden?

Maybe those Ordinaries think that ordinary Catholics cannot figure out the deceit which is apparently involved here? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. People were deceived about the pedophilia, and now this?

It is interesting how the "new" becomes "ordinary" and the "old" becomes extraordinarily new and suspect.

I weep for all the Catholics who have lost their faith due to all of these liturgical changes and the resultant loss of the sacred ancient ways, especially the on-going liturgical revolutions in Los Angeles, where the unexpected becomes the norm.

I guess everyone has heard about the big screens that are now mandated throughout the Archdiocese? Do they plan to project the English translation of the Latin on those screens and thus destroy any sacred space? How far will the hypocrisy go?

Lord have mercy on us and save us.


(Oh, yes, even though I became an Orthodox Christian in 1996, I still pray for my Catholic friends and relatives whom I left behind, especially my dad who fell asleep in the Lord on June 28, 2004.)

Despite what the media are trying to get us to think, the question at issue is not one of Latin - it is perfectly possible to celebrate the Mass as promulgated by Pope Paul VI in Latin (there is such a Mass every Sunday at the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin).

The point at issue is the Mass promulgated by Pope St. Pius V, known as the "Tridentine Mass", in the edition given by Blessed John XXIII in 1962. This Mass is usually celebrated (if at all) in Latin, but there is room for other languages - including Church-Slavonic, of all things. It was never actually suppressed by Rome, but local Bishops often forbade its use in the decades after the Council. Pope John Paul II twice issued documents permitting this form of the Mass under certain condiditions; the conditions proved a tad onerous and the Motu Proprio of Benedict XVI is expected to ease the restrictions.

Fr. Serge

Quote:

Now why didn't they have such a review three years after the Novus Ordo was published?

Fr. Serge

Maybe they have learned something since then?

It's so strange.

I know a bi-ritual Byzantine Catholic priest who also celebrates the Latin Mass.

I thought the whole purpose of this MP was to allow priests to say the Latin Mass unhindered, but it looks like the Bishop has the final say as before. What has changed if anything?