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Orthodox Rusyns Oppose American Missiles in Ukraine
17.07.2007, [18:09] // Foreign relations //

Uzhhorod - The Rusyns of southwestern Ukraine�s Transcarpathia Region oppose plans to set up an American NMD (national missile defense) in the plains of Rivne and Stoi. So said Ruthenian leader Archpriest Dymytrii Sydor, speaker of the Sojm (Ruthenial national assembly) and rector of Holy Cross Cathedral in Uzhhorod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP). interfax-religion.com posted the news on 16 July 2007.

�Most Rusyn groups decided to campaign for declaring Transcarpathia a demilitarized zone, where only hotels and sanatoriums may be built,� said Fr. Sydor.

He said that in the 1980s he protested against large radar constructed near Mukachiv, Transcarpathia Region. �But how could I predict that Americans would come to replace the Soviets with their military bases!� he said.

Commenting on the schism of the Orthodox church in Ukraine, Fr. Sydor said that the Ukrainian people �really value their belonging to canonical Orthodoxy� and would never leave the UOC-MP �regardless of any political processes in Ukraine.�

'The Rusyns consider the schismatics of [Patriarch] Filaret [Denysenko, head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyivan Patriarchate] as cultists who may be accepted into the church only if they repent,� he said.

The Rusyn language, he added, is very close to Old Church Slavonic, �so we do not have the worship-language problem that is known in Russia and especially in Ukraine.�

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http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=3343

Not sure how accurate this article is. I find interfax-religion questionable as a source.

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Fr Sydor - a supporter of the Ukrainian Party of Labour - communist =pro-moscow party? No wonder.

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I don't know anything about the religious ramifications, but I think it's great that people in Transcarpathia are opposed to the idea of an American missile base being set up in there backyard. Maybe Vladimir Putin could ask the governments of Canada and Mexico for permission to set up missile bases close to the US border, as a DEFENSIVE measure of course.

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As I recall the US raised quite a stink when missles were planned to be placed in Cuba...

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Originally Posted by Lawrence
I don't know anything about the religious ramifications, but I think it's great that people in Transcarpathia are opposed to the idea of an American missile base being set up in there backyard. Maybe Vladimir Putin could ask the governments of Canada and Mexico for permission to set up missile bases close to the US border, as a DEFENSIVE measure of course.

So long as the missiles were not nuclear interceptors of the 1950s type BMD systems I would guess that the Russians would be rather surprised at how little the US government would actually respond.

The US actually does not care where France or the UK point their missiles. As Russia moves away from their old Soviet pathological mental states, we care less and less about where they point their missiles as well. The name of the game in US diplomacy is to slowly normalize Russia so that no matter who wins power there, they are considered and act like a friend. Close, distant, or in between is another matter but a country whose missile targeting decisions are irrelevant because we know they won't launch is the best situation.

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As I recall the US raised quite a stink when missles were planned to be placed in Cuba...
Yes, offensive missiles that could land in DC faster than US C3 systems could order a retaliatory strike *were* viewed with hostility, and with good reason. Had they remained, they would have been incredibly destabilizing and very much increased the chance of the US accidentally launching because we would have had so little time to respond. Thank God that the Cuban missiles were removed and we were spared those risks.

Many of you seem to misunderstand the nature of the threat. There are two problems that BMD systems need to counter. The first, and scariest, are rogue states that have their own missile programs, Iran and North Korea being most threatening at the moment. The second problem is a little further down the road and that is in the impending new space age that is coming. Private rocket companies are here and proliferating fast. Hijacking one of these either from the ground or in mid-flight is as exotic as airline hijacking but with the disadvantage that many of these systems travel too fast to be intercepted by plane.

Weapons to take out missiles traveling at ICBM speeds are going to become a global necessity. The problems are significant and we might as well start getting the 1st generation systems out there so when, God forbid, a real emergency happens, a defensive system can save lives by destroying an aggressive missile.

Religiously, I cannot see how such a state of affairs would be worse than the madness of the old balance of terror/MAD situation. In fact, I think it much more christian to destroy aggressive weapons as they try to strike and not people in revenge afterwards.


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I have heard nothing about US missiles being stationed in Ukraine. Everything I have read on the subject is that the US is discussing the proposal with Poland and the Czech Republic. From what I have read at Polskie Radio, a majority of Poles oppose the missile shield but the Polish Government favors it.

The fact that Russia is adamantly opposed to it will change the minds of many Poles at some point.

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The story has appeared on RISU as well.

It's interesting... the only people in Ukraine saying anything about the US missile system are those with some connection to Moscow. No one else opposing, no one out in support (excluding a few government statements).

Archpriest Dymytrii Sydor has come out in support of Natalia Vitrenko and her "Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine". I'd love to see their definition of 'Progressive', and Vitrenko comes across as someone who would get along well with Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
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On a seperate note:

1. who says that they're setting up missiles in Ukraine? The only thing I've heard of is that they're setting a RADAR for an anti-missile system there. Moreover, even if they do plan to put missiles there, one should note that surface to air missiles are a far different beast from surface to surface missiles.

2. where does the article talk about the actual deployment of missiles to Ukraine?

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1. who says that they're setting up missiles in Ukraine? The only thing I've heard of is that they're setting a RADAR for an anti-missile system there. Moreover, even if they do plan to put missiles there, one should note that surface to air missiles are a far different beast from surface to surface missiles.

2. where does the article talk about the actual deployment of missiles to Ukraine?

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Very good points. I have searched the internet in vain to find further information to back up this story. I think it was a red herring printed just to emphasize that the MP followers in Transcarpathia are loyal followers of "Mother Russia" as others have already mentioned and against any attempts of Ukraine to move closer into the EU or NATO sphere of influence.


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