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Slava Isusu Khrestu!
Blahoslovi Otche Marko!
Yes washing machines have received many strange items!
Thank you for the information.
I am so glad that my mother kept Baba's things from her childhood!
They now mean much to me and my religious heritage.
I must try to learn more.
Z Bohom
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Dear Friends,
Our Greek Orthodox monastery near Bolton, Ontario, make prayer ropes that have what they call "Martyria" attached to them.
These are small leather straps with ten moveable beads to count the number of prayer ropes one prays. EAch time one prays 100 Prayers, one moves a bead up. When one completes ten beads or 1000 prayers, one moves a bead on the other martyria and so on.
When the Elders pray thousands of Prayers daily, they keep count in this manner.
Was this not the intention of the seven moveable pieces of the Old Believer Lestovka?
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Dear brother Alex - the idea of the martyrion is an interesting possibility, at least as a feature of the lestovka that received a symbolic interpretation and then vanished in the course of time.
It would most certainly fit in with the rule of seven daily lestovky, recited 'before the icons of God' as one Slavonic source literally commands.
To return to that rule (which we have discussed previouly,and you know well, but is worth raising again), the three babochky at the ends are often used for allelias and the three large babochky used with the repective prayers, 'Remember me O Lord, when thou comest into Thy Kingdom' on the first, 'Remember me O Master, when thou comest into Thy Kingdom' on the second, 'Remember me O Holy One, when thou comest into Thy Kingdom' on the third.
All of these - like the alleluias - are generally accompanied by a prostration.
There are variants on the rule, with additional prayers at the end of each lestovka of prayers.
The first four lestovky are used with the Jesus prayer, with one each to the Mother of God, the Forerunner and the Guardian Angel.
Spasi Khristos - Mark, unworthy monk.
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Bless, Father Mark!
An honour and a great blessing to converse with you again!
The rule you described should also be said all week for those preparing for Holy Communion, should it not?
And during the Great Fast, the last 17 steps should be used to do the 17 prostrations of the Prayer of St Ephrem (?)
Kissing your right hand, I again implore your blessing,
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The Lord bless!
The 17 steps are very useful for prostrations with the prayer of St Ephrem!
Generally the lestovka is highly practical, especially for priestless worship where Gospodi pomiloi replaces the litanies:
Take Great Vespers on the Eve of the Lord's Day -
12 after the proemial Psalm (first 12 rungs)
3 after the 1st Kafisma
40 after the prokimen (first large rung to second large rung)
12 after Spodobi Gospodi/Vouchsafe O Lord (first 12 rungs)
After the lity
40 (first large rung to second large rung)
then 30 (preliminary 3 + first 12 twice)
then 50 (12 + 38 small rungs)
The lestovka makes life easier when one is concentrating or tired and struggling to concentrate!
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Dear Friends,
Our Greek Orthodox monastery near Bolton, Ontario, make prayer ropes that have what they call "Martyria" attached to them.
These are small leather straps with ten moveable beads to count the number of prayer ropes one prays. EAch time one prays 100 Prayers, one moves a bead up. When one completes ten beads or 1000 prayers, one moves a bead on the other martyria and so on.
When the Elders pray thousands of Prayers daily, they keep count in this manner.
Was this not the intention of the seven moveable pieces of the Old Believer Lestovka?
Alex Are you able to provide ordering information for Komboschini with attached Martyria? If so, please do?
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The Lord bless!
The 17 steps are very useful for prostrations with the prayer of St Ephrem!
Generally the lestovka is highly practical, especially for priestless worship where Gospodi pomiloi replaces the litanies:
Take Great Vespers on the Eve of the Lord's Day -
12 after the proemial Psalm (first 12 rungs)
3 after the 1st Kafisma
40 after the prokimen (first large rung to second large rung)
12 after Spodobi Gospodi/Vouchsafe O Lord (first 12 rungs)
After the lity
40 (first large rung to second large rung)
then 30 (preliminary 3 + first 12 twice)
then 50 (12 + 38 small rungs)
The lestovka makes life easier when one is concentrating or tired and struggling to concentrate!
Spasi Khristos - Mark, unworthy monk. Thank you Father.
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Dear Incogneat, I'm away on another job, sorry for the delay in responding! Their website is: www.stkosmasaitolosgomonastery.org [ stkosmasaitolosgomonastery.org] You can contact them to ask for a prayer rope with martyria. I've always asked for two, one attached to either side of the Cross, but they normally attach just one. Cheers, Alex
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Welcome back Father Mark!
Every lestovka which has passed through my hands (I've purchased a few for friends) has had the flaps sown together. One day I got curious and started poking and peeking into the spaces between the flaps of mine. As I was about to place another order I decided to take the plunge � I pulled out a knife and carefully cut the threads and separated the flaps. Inside the upper flaps, on the strip of leather connecting the lower ones to the rest of the lestovka I found seven moveable bits of leather. They don't move easily, but they do move. I've suggested to friends that they try, but not sure if any of them have found the courage.
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Господи Ісусε Хрїстε, Сынε Божїи, помилуй мя грѣшнаго.
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I've been familiar with the term "Old Believer" for as long as I've known about Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but it's only recently I've begun to investigate the practices they use. I apologize if I'm asking questions that have already been answered.
Do Old Ritualists have other prayers for the rungs of the lestovka, or do they only use the Jesus Prayer?
Are lestovka and vervitsa two words for the same thing, or are they different?
Why do some chotki have extra beads around the large dividers?
I didn't find either prayer ropes or martyria at the Web site for St. Kosmos Aitolos monastery. Is there another source?
Any help anyone can provide would be much appreciated by this unworthy beginner.
Many thanks!
In XC,
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I didn't find either prayer ropes or martyria at the Web site for St. Kosmos Aitolos monastery. Is there another source?
Any help anyone can provide would be much appreciated by this unworthy beginner.
Many thanks!
In XC, I know this is an old thread but I had a hard time finding prayer ropes with a martyria on it so I thought I'd let you know that the Convent of St. Elizabeth: http://conventofsaintelizabeth.org/index.htmlsells prayer ropes (I've gotten a couple custom-made ones and they were great) along with martyria that can be attached to any prayer rope with a knotted cross.
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Actually it was St. Paisius Monastery, not the Convent of St. Elizabeth: http://www.stpaisiusmonastery.org/I didn't find either prayer ropes or martyria at the Web site for St. Kosmos Aitolos monastery. Is there another source?
Any help anyone can provide would be much appreciated by this unworthy beginner.
Many thanks!
In XC, I know this is an old thread but I had a hard time finding prayer ropes with a martyria on it so I thought I'd let you know that the Convent of St. Elizabeth: http://conventofsaintelizabeth.org/index.htmlsells prayer ropes (I've gotten a couple custom-made ones and they were great) along with martyria that can be attached to any prayer rope with a knotted cross.
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