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Karenp you are not allowing private email. I'd like to send you a link to a site I just found.
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Sam...Send me private message. Would like any info on matter discussed.
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Sam...
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Is there a byzman looking at this site?? If so know I applaud your entry on snap.
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re:merged/suppressed parishs Vatican City, 3rd March 2006 Congregation for the Clergy Prot. N. 20060481 The Most Rev. William Skylstad President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops 3211 Fourth Street NE Washington DC 20017-1194 U.S.A. Your Excellency, This Congregation deems it opportune to write to you regarding the closure of parishes in the dioceses of the United States, since in recent times certain dioceses have wrongly applied canon 123 CIC and stating that a parish has been "suppressed" when in reality it has been merged or amalgamated. A parish is more than a public juridical person. Canon 369 defines the diocese as a "portion of the people of God which is entrusted to the bishop to be nurtured by him". Similarly, "A parish is a certain community of Christ's faithful, stably established within a particular Church, whose pastoral care, under the authority of the diocesan bishop, is entrusted to a parish priest as its proper pastor (cf. can. 515)." In this light, then, only with great difficulty, can one say that a parish becomes extinct. A parish is extinguished by the law itself only if no Catholic community any longer exists in its territory, or if no pastoral activity has taken place for a hundred years (can. 120 #1). When a parish is "suppressed" by competent authority in reality the still existing community of Christ's faithful is actually "merged" into the neighboring community of Christ's faithful and constitutes a larger community, and the territory of the extinguished parish is added to the other, forming a larger territorial unit. While the parish church and the physical parish plant may be closed and the name of a particular parish extinguished, the spiritual needs of the portion of the Faithful which once constituted that parish, must continue to be provided for in accord with their rights in law. In the case where the portion of the Christian Faithful is reallocated among pre-existing or newly created parishes, the corresponding patrimony and obligations of the closed parishes must follow the Faithful in an equitable and proportionate fashion in accord with the corresponding responsibilities and pastoral duties assumed by the parishes ad quem. The wishes of any existing founders and benefactors must be respected, as must any acquired rights as expressed in canon 121 or 122. Often when a bishop calls his action a "suppression" it is in reality a merger of two communities of Christ's faithful. Thus canon 121 applies: "When aggregates of persons or of things which are public juridic persons, are so joined that from them one aggregate is constituted which also possesses juridic personality, this new juridic person obtains the patrimonial goods and rights proper to the previous aggregates...." The "suppression" of a parish is in most cases then a "unio extinctiva". If a parish is divided between more than one existing parish then can. 122 would apply. Thus the goods and liabilities should go with the amalgamated juridic person, and not to the diocese. This would also seem to be more consonant with the requirement that the wishes of the founders, benefactors and those who have acquired rights be safeguarded, In most cases "suppressions" are in reality a "unio extinctiva" or "amalgamation" or "merger" and as such the goods and obligations do not pass to the higher juridic person, but should pertain to the public juridic person which remains or emerges from the extinctive union. The goods and liabilities should go to the surviving public juridic person, that is the enlarged parish community. In conclusion, this Congregation notes that the erroneous use of can. 123 in the dioceses of the United States is not uncommon and therefore asks Your Excellency to bring this matter to the attention of the individual bishop members of the Episcopal Conference. I take this opportunity to renew my sentiments of esteem and with every best wish, I remain, Yours sincerely in Christ, /s/ Dario Card. Castrillon-H. /s/ Csaba Ternyak
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While the parish church and the physical parish plant may be closed and the name of a particular parish extinguished, the spiritual needs of the portion of the Faithful which once constituted that parish, must continue to be provided for in accord with their rights in law. karenp: Now there's an interesting statement. When Bishop Andrew told people to go back to other parishes because they were really Byzantines, what happened to their rights to be served? On the other hand, lots of useful time will be spent chasing down the money and trying to recover the property and ultimately you may never see justice. Has anyone thought to take a leadership role and gather the people together for a meeting? If the great bulk of people could be held together, why not form a new parish and petition another Eastern Catholic bishop to take you under his omophor? You might have to start over, but there are certainly bishops who would welcome a living, vibrant community. Bishop John Michael comes to mind. BOB
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Excuse me but does anybody know why Father Bitsko does not receive Social Security Benefits? Father Hospodar said in one of his sermons that all Catholic Priests and Nuns qualified for social security after 1970! I do know as a fact Eastern Orthodox and Protestant Ministers must set aside a certain amount of their pay after taxes for social security! Why did father Dan not set aside part of his pay to social security? Was he not paid by the Eparchy for 38 years of service? Surely he did not volunteer without pay as parish priest for 4 decades?
Father Dan moved back to his hometown of Coaldale? I assume he is living in the Coaldale in Carbon county near Hazelton? Or is Father in the Coaldale located in Bradford county near Maryland by the merger of interstates 70 and 76? It is the former Coaldale Yes or No? Please
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I used to go to the Church of the Resurrection in Smithtown, NY until I moved to Indiana 10 years ago. I grew up in that church, and knew Fr. Dan from when I was 4 years old. He granted me First Communion, First Confession, I served at the altar with him, was a founding member of the dance group, attended religeos education from first grade through my teens, and then was married by him. He is the most caring and kind human being that I know. He wouldn't hurt a fly if he could avoid it. What he did for the community makes him a saint in my eyes. He always thought of everyone else before himself. He is back in Coaldale , PA, as last year he attended my father's funeral in Hazelton. That was the last time I personally have seen him.
As far as Fr. Dan not having anything to his name, I honestly have no knowledge of this. I have heard the same story to that effect. All I can say is that as long as I have known him, Fr. Dan has always given as much as he could, and then given more. When I saw him last, he appeared to be well.
Now, getting to the current state of my church, as I still consider myself a member of the parish: The things that I read in the bulletin every week and the articles I have read in the Smithtown News and the stories I have heard from people still actively attending has me appalled. What was once a thriving community has been reduced to almost nothingness. I am glad that my father is not around to see what is going on. I cannot believe that the Bishop and Metropolitan are a party to what is happening, but they must, otherwise why would Fr. Harry be doing the things he is doing. I can remember when the parking lot was just that - a dirt lot. I remember watching the outdoor kitchen being built for the Bazaar. The Bazaar used to be one of my favorite times of the year. Sure it was alot of work involved in gearing up for it, but it was work we gladly did for the Church, and we had fun at the end of the day. To know that all of that is now gone is saddening indeed.
I still consider Fr. Dan to be my priest, no matter who celebrates Liturgy in our Church. I agree with the opinion that he is there, for whatever the reasons may be, to close the Church and liquidate the assets.
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qualified for social security Dee: The operative word is "qualified." I knew a priest here in my area who said he qualified and he "elected" NOT TO PARTICIPATE at that time. He regretted it to his last day. BOB
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There is a RED shirt Protest at The Church of The Resurrection on Sunday September 2. The colors of the shirts reflect the colors of the cancelled Byzantine Bazaar. They will be worn to Mass. You could also stand outside and kindly meet with the Latin Rite Jesuit Priest Father Unterweiner!
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Is the protest only today? I would have liked to participate.
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Protest over cancellation of Smithtown church bazaar [newsday.com]Smithtown parishioners planning protest of church [newsday.com]Interesting note: The tax assessment on the church's 6-acre property in a residential area on Juniper Avenue is $27,675. The average assessed value of a residential property in Smithtown is $6,000. A lead-in to a 1991 NY Times article One of the biggest food festivals on Long Island is staged by one of its smallest churches, the 240-family Byzantine Catholic Church of the Resurrection in Smithtown. The biennial event, scheduled over the Labor Day weekend, is the Byzantine Bazaar, Long Island's Slavic Festival. Two years ago, 70,000 people ...
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Darn the comments for those aticles are nasty, I can't stand these athiests and anti-catholics who slither out of their holes to insult us. Well love thine enemy - we must pray for their conversions.
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This is a successful cohesive parish with active people. What is the point in systematically trying to destroy this one?
Do we really have to be born into a Byzantine Catholic church to "belong"? We no longer accept converts or other Catholics into our church?
Is it all about the resale value of the property?
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What is going on with this parish? I simply cannot understand what is behind this all. My disillusionment continues to grow.
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