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Just wondering... Assuming if an Eastern Catholic priest is invited to celebrate or concelebrate the Eucharist in a Western Church, does he have to wear Western vestments and will he be allowed to say parts of the consecration prayer etc?
I'm just curious since I came across a picture of Cardinal Nasrallah Sfeir (the Maronite patriarch) preside over a Mass (Latin Rite) with Cardinal Moussa Daoud (the former Syrian patriarch) and Cardinal Lubomyr Husar (the Ukrainian patriarch). I did not save the pic but I will try to locate it when I can. This was during the mourning period for John Paul II.
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I dont know if this is relavent but I an Orthodox of the Western Rite. My priest has celebreate to DL of St. John Chrysostom, and when he does, it is with full Byzantine Vestments. Vise versa, the very few Byzantine Rite Clergy who have celebrated one of our Divine Western Rite Liturgies must weat Western vestments. Thought you might find that of interest
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well, what about visiting clergy who are concelebrating the Divine Liturgy and vice-versa?
As for the Western Rite Orthodox, I am aware of what you mentioned as a good friend of mine is currently the leader of a community which is on the way to being accepted as a Western Rite parish.
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In Catholicism, the rule is that clergy always vest according to their own Rite, no matter what Rite is being celebrated.
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I'm just curious since I came across a picture of Cardinal Nasrallah Sfeir (the Maronite patriarch) preside over a Mass (Latin Rite) with Cardinal Moussa Daoud (the former Syrian patriarch) and Cardinal Lubomyr Husar (the Ukrainian patriarch). I did not save the pic but I will try to locate it when I can. This was during the mourning period for John Paul II. Collin: If I'm not mistaken, the picture you refer to is of His Beatitude serving the Maronite Liturgy during the mourning period for His Holiness, JPII. I has been the custom, I believe, during the past three mourning periods to have one Liturgy served by the Eastern Patriarchs who are cardinals. In Christ, BOB
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In Catholicism, the rule is that clergy always vest according to their own Rite, no matter what Rite is being celebrated.
Dn. Robert I think that this may not apply to priests with bi-ritual faculties... The chancelor of the local Roman diocese has bi-ritual faculties and has offered liturgy for us when Father has been ill or out of town. The first time our pastor's absense was planned (he had some out of town obligation he had known months in advance) the Latin priest came several sundays in a row beforehand to concelebrate (and brush up, as it had been a few years) and wore Byzantine vestments... Priests concelebrating a different rite in which they have not been granted faculties, wear their own vestments (proper to their ritual), and deacons, I think, always wear there own ritual vestments. I think. Is this accurate?
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I think that is particularly true. Ben XVI's installation had an Eastern deacon singing the Gospel.
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Dear Father Deacon,
In spite of some dire-sounding statements, that rule is by no means hard-and-fast, in either direction. Nor, to be honest, is it easy to grasp which such a rule should be hard and fast, or should even exist. The vestments are designed to be appropriate for the liturgy, not for some canon lawyer's fantasy.
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I think that is particularly true. Ben XVI's installation had an Eastern deacon singing the Gospel. This is so . When Fr Gerald was still at the Scots College and was asked to chant the Gospel and serve as Deacon at Papal Masses , when a Greek Catholic Deacon was also serving [ as at the Easter Vigil ] he was always appropriately vested. The Vatican always supplies Vestments on these occasions [ including albs ] and there were always Eastern ones ready in the Deacons Vesting area.
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When JPII visited Finland in the 80`s, he said the mass in a icehall in Helsinki with all glergy of the Finnish catholic church. The one and only eastern rite priest in Finland used full byzantine vestments. Present were the most of the Finnish lutheran and orthodox bishops - and almost all brothers & fathers from the only Finnish orthodox male monastery of New Valaam...
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I think that is particularly true. Ben XVI's installation had an Eastern deacon singing the Gospel. I know the deacon who sang the Gospel at B16's installation and he is not Eastern Rite: http://richmondmonks.org/monksAlbum01/Gregory
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An Eastern deacon sang the gospel at JPII's funeral mass. I don't remember the same being done at BXVI's installation.
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An Eastern Deacon chanted the Gospel after it was sung by a Latin Deacon at the Easter Vigil in St Peter's in 2006 .
I did not see the TV Broadcast of Benedict XVI's installation
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oh... hmm, guess it must have been one of those live tv telecasts then... so hard to keep track of them all but it was nice watching it.
There is a pic of Fr. Emmanuel Charles McCarthy celebrating Mass with JPII at the canonisation of Edith Stein. Too lazy to look at it but from the looks of it, he was wearing Byzantine vestments.
Which leads me to my next question: You know how concelebrating priests are given turns to say part of the Eucharistic prayer at Mass? Do Byzantine priests get that same privilege to say parts of the Eucharistic prayer when they are concelebrating, in their Byzantine vestments?
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Pardon my curiosity. It will be only next year that I will witness Eastern Catholicism; when i move to Australia that is. Malaysia has no Eastern Catholic Church as yet (will be coming soon) so thats why i'm soo eager to know!
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