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I was recently on the ACROD website and read a little of its history. What were the latinization attempts in the 1930's that led to their split with the Catholic Communion?
Thanks,
Wolfgang

Chiefly the banning of married priests.

it is incredible that Rome insisted on banning married priests after the Toth-Ireland dispute, and the defection of 20,000 Catholic into the Russian Orthodox Church. Rome did not learn their lesson.

What? Rome learn a lesson? Rome does not learn lessons; Rome TEACHES lessons!

I am, of course, caricaturing - but the caricature is an accurate portrayal at what passed for "thought" at the period. The sad part of it is that the same phenomenon can be observed elsewhere.

Fr. Serge

Call the Acrod seminary and pick up Fr. Barriger's books on this very subject. Good Victory and the follow up, Glory to Jesus Christ.

Second the motion - both books are well worth reading.

Fr. Serge

Enforcing the ban on ordaining married men was the big issue.

The other reason was the bishop insisting on owning church property instead of the congregation, which scared Ruthenians who'd become congregational that way to evade hostile RC bishops - churches were incorporated as ethnic clubs for example.

This was fought out among the Roman Catholics in America in the 1800s - trusteeship versus diocesan ownership with the latter winning. The Polish National Catholic Church's parishes (American church whose story parallels the Toth split) are congregationally owned. Even today among the Romans there are flare-ups: a Polish parish, St Stanislaus, in St Louis managed to remain congregationally owned but the archdiocese wanted to shut them down; I think they've gone into schism and are not under a bishop right now... almost repeating the history of the PNCC.

Both are very good reads...you may have some difficulty getting A Good Victory...I have been told stock is low (if not now exhausted) Glory to Jesus Christ is also an excellent book and if you at least get that one it's almost as good as reading A Good Victory...

Happy Reading!!!

Chris

The prime mover would seem to have been mandated priestly celebacy. The issue is best described in great detail in Good Victory, it is very detailed. I suggest reading both of course. Father Larry has a very good chapter that reflects back on the changes that the ACROD accomplished over the years in 'Glory to Jesus Christ.' Father Larry goes as far as even placing copies of key documents dealing with the formation of the diocese in the first book.

Chris, call the seminary bookstore. I'm not sure what the phone number is but I'm sure the www.acrod.org [acrod.org] website will have it.

Here's the phone number: 814-539-0116

If this was directed to me...I have my copies and have read them several times over the years...but thank you...

Chris

Sadly, I seem to recall a Latin Bishop being quoted as saying "Better to lose a few Greek souls than cause scandal to our faithful"

Honestly, I just think they didn't care. Letting "those people" do "that" when they were "over there" was one thing... But allowing Latins who had never imagined such a thing to be scandalized by the sight of Slav with a wife in tow bouncing a baby on his knee? That was just too much.

When the schism DID happen (twice) I think it only served to confirm some in their view that that we were perhaps "showing out true colors."

Oh the irony that 80 years later the Latin Church in the US now has some 15,000 married deacons and over 100 married ex-Protestant pastors who serve as priests. Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis today has some 197 permanant deacons - most of them likely married or widowed. Who woulda thunk?

Has anyone gone for a visit at the grave of Bishop Ireland? Just curious if there is a very loud "spinning" sound.

Tim

In addition to the OCA, the Polish National Catholic Church also has him listed as a co-founder.

Gordo