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Ungcsertezs,
I won't address your "assessment" of my person. This is what Fr. Petras has experienced and it is sad.
In addition to my own experience, my comments and observations are based upon the comments and reflections of the elderly in our Church. All were "born into the Church" way before 40 years ago.
One old man in his 70s when I asked him what he thought of the RDL replied, "I don't see much difference from what we were doing before. There's a few words changed here and there but the music is pretty much the same."
An elderly lady who vividly remembers the Church from before the 60's said, "Finally, we have our music back before they Americanized us."
Another elderly man said, "I like it. It feels more Byzantine."
All of these people were born way before me and had an experience of something that my age did not permit me to have. I found reassurance in their words. Perhaps others will as well.
Rufinus I've talked to many people (mostly people over 60) and NONE have said they like what has happened to the Greek Catholic Church. One lady in Pennsylvania almost came to tears as she told me how much she misses Slavonic and the melodies she knew and loved her entire life. How can lifelong faithful be treated this way? As Monomakh commented in another thread, "Where did it all go wrong?".
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Ungcsertezs,
I won't address your "assessment" of my person. This is what Fr. Petras has experienced and it is sad.
Rufinus Rufinus, As an administrator and moderator of this section, I am going to have to ask after reviewing you comment above what "'assessment' of person" that Father David has experienced and to post specific examples. If not I am going to insist that the statement be retracted. This is one time that the statement can not be side-stepped. Failure to respond to this request within 24 hours will mean a forfeiture of your membership on this forum. Until then, all posters are to refrain from posting to this thread.In IC XC, Father Anthony+ Administrator
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Ungcsertezs,
I won't address your "assessment" of my person. This is what Fr. Petras has experienced and it is sad.
Rufinus Rufinus, As an administrator and moderator of this section, I am going to have to ask after reviewing you comment above what "'assessment' of person" that Father David has experienced and to post specific examples. If not I am going to insist that the statement be retracted. This is one time that the statement can not be side-stepped. Failure to respond to this request will mean a forfeiture of your membership on this forum. Until then, all posters are to refrain from posting to this thread.In IC XC, Father Anthony+ Administrator I submit this quote from Fr. Petras which was behind my statement. Nothing more was intended. The word "ad-hominen" would have been better and I ask that, because of the ambiguity of my sentence that it be struck. "My presence on the Forum simply seems to stir up a certain amount of uncharity. I think that some people feel hurt by liturgical change and express themselves rather strongly. I wish opposition to the new translation would refrain from being �ad hominem,� hence I post with great caution." Thank you for pointing this out.
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Rufinus,
You better try a lot harder. That post does not qualify your statement and my warning still stands.
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Fr. Anthony,
That is the truth of what I was thinking when I wrote it.
I can do nothing more. It was, as I admitted, a poor choice of words.
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Rufinus,
Then that will be accepted as a retraction. I have received numerous complaints today over this "poor choice" of words in what seemed to be a personal attack on a poster. I allow free discussion as long as the forum rules of charity are followed.
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Posting to this thread may resume
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Overall, I firmly disagree with what the moderator has written. I think that the Bishops have made the right decisions. I think that the Cantor Institute is right on track. Just curious. Where are you a cantor? What experience do you have cantoring? Monomakh
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Rufinus,
Then that will be accepted as a retraction. I have received numerous complaints today over this "poor choice" of words in what seemed to be a personal attack on a poster. I allow free discussion as long as the forum rules of charity are followed.
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Posting to this thread may resume Fr. Anthony: I in no way meant to attack anyone. I meant only that I shall not engage in an ad-hominen argument. Period. What astounds me is just as you posted your reply just such an attempt was made. This is what I meant by an attempt at "personal assessment." I meant, I will not permit an ad-hominen argument to develop. Period. But you are right. My words do read with a generality that has overtones that simply do not exist. Please retract the statement. Rufinus
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Rufinus,
You are hereby given an indefinite suspension until such point as you are willing to retract. You have been known for playing these word games and until such time as you retract and act in the proper decorum, you will be outside looking in. There is nothing "ad-hominen" about the above post.
This thread is now closed.
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