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Everyone, as St. Gregory Palamas taught, is indwelt with divine energy from the moment of their conception (see St. Gregory Palamas, Capita Physica, no. 75). In other words, the Theotokos was conceived in the same manner as every other human being who has lived since the time of Adam. Her theosis comes about by her cooperation with God, and her exemplary position is established by her intimate union with the eternal Logos at the time of the incarnation.

Newman wrote his great essay as an Anglican. It certainly, therefore, does not have a Catholic bias. When he wanted to make some changes to it after he became Catholic, he was discouraged by Church officials from doing so. I don't believe any changes were made.

Fortunately, since St. Gregory's opinions have not been made dogmatic (indeed, how could they be in the East?) one can still be an authentically Eastern Catholic without being a Palomite! It is in fact refreshing to be in union with Rome and be truly Eastern!

Actually, I am confident that we can agree that there has been at least one unbiased human, Jesus Christ. Mary, I believe, is a second. Adam and Eve, before the fall, can be added to the list.

Dear lm,

Our Lord was not ONLY human - and when He spoke, it was/is the Divine Word of God Who speaks.

I am confident that we can agree that our Lord is on an entirely different plane than we.

And Mary was definitely biased in favour of God and fulfilling His Will. Agnostics, atheists and all those who are against Her Son and His Church would find her rather annoying!

As for Adama and Eve, rather than having a definite ideology, they seemed to go this way or that, depending on the times.

Alex

we,the Romans, recognize 9 ecumenical councils.
and something more ...the term Byzantine ,there s no where during the 1100 years of Constantinople.it s a fake and a myth.
and of course we cant have anything in common with papism,as we consider it pan heretic.

"In the history of mankind there are 3 falls: The fall of Adam, of Judas the Iscariot and that of the Pope. The essence of falling into sin is always the same: the desire to become God by oneself. In this manner, a man insensibly equates himself with the devil, because he also wants to become God by himself to replace God with himself...The fall of the Pope lies exactly in this very thing; to want to replace the God-man with the man..." Holy Fr Justin Popovich of Serbia

Dear Todd,

I mistakenly responded to your response to me above on another thread - sorry.

Just a question - why then does the East celebrate the Theotokos' Conception? Why not the conception of all Saints? Or yours and mine, for that matter?

If we're conceived the same way - what takes away from our aureoles?

Alex

What matters is the original intent of Bishop Zoghby's words.

If "Byzantine" is a fake and a myth, then so is "Crimea" - but I would not advise attempting to book a vocation in some Tauride hostelry. There are sound reasons to resist some changes in geographic nomenclature; others are not malicious and are not trying to conceal the truth.

Fr. Serge

And yet since he had a human will and intellect, the man spoke as well--the great mystery of the Incarnation.


I thought the whole point of the matter was that except for sin, he became like one of us, so that we could become like Him. This would seem to suggest that being biased is not an integral part of being human. The (unbiased) Truth will set you free!

so let us ,the romans , to clarify what we are and what we are not...

Misha,

You are a new member here that in the few posts that you have made today has sparked a number of complaints to the administrators. Your tone towards other posters and manner of respect displayed are unacceptable. You will either tone it down and show the respect and charity towards others befitting a Christian on this forum as you agreed to when you registered, or your posting privileges will be terminated.

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We celebrate the conception of St. John the Baptist as well, and the Roman Church has not declared that he was "immaculately" conceived.

Furthermore, you will notice that unlike Christ's conception and birth which occur nine months apart in the liturgical calendar (March 25th to December 25th), both the feasts of St. John (September 23rd to June 24th) and of the Theotokos (December 9th to September 8th) do not reflect this perfection.

God bless,
Todd

Someone needs to delete that link...it's porn !

james

Thanks James!

I never checked the links out. All references to the links have been deleted in all his posts.

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